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A humanitarian aid official who attended the meeting said Grande noted that Israel is one in a “tight circle of very few allies” that the U.S. will not oppose, nor will it “hold anything back that they want.”

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I'm trying to understand why they(we) are such a close ally. There is nearly no benefit to America supporting Israel. They are not good. Israel has stolen too much land and murdered too many civilians for greed.

[–] givesomefucks 37 points 2 months ago

I’m trying to understand why they(we) are such a close ally

You won't like Biden's answer...

Biden has partly credited his pro-Israel world view to his father, who insisted following World War Two and the Nazi Holocaust there was no doubt of the justness of establishing Israel as a Jewish homeland in 1948.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens-lifelong-bond-with-israel-shapes-war-policy-2023-10-21/

He's said multiple times there is no line Israel could cross that would result in any less support from him.

He's not operating on any kind of logic, in his eyes Israel = good, and that's as deep as he will ever think of it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It is unfortunately simple. The feelings of religion and sympathy in the wake of WW2 completely aside, strategically they offer the US a strong military ally in the Middle East, including playing host to several military bases. That's a very rare thing in that region.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

IMO this is the real answer. Geopolitical stability in the region, at the cost of letting Israel do whatever it wants including genociding the Palestinians. It makes me sick, but I have a sinking feeling that if we allowed the entire region become unstable, that would make me sick as well.

"Quagmire" is a word for a reason.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What stability though? They’ve been there since being established after WW2 and it’s been an extremely volatile region the entire time.

It would at least be a Faustian bargain if they were doing horrible atrocities but that’s just the price you pay for the Middle East being a peaceful and stable area of the world… but the Middle East has been in crisis for my entire life, so what am I missing?

Also America has the ability to project its power in the region without Israel, so what exactly is there to gain?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Stability doesn't mean "peace" it means "things don't get worse." And I think we both know that things could be A LOT worse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The intelligence and technology sharing Israel provides is even more important than the bases. The US has bases all over the Middle East.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Colonizers stick together.

[–] eran_morad 11 points 2 months ago