Please consider using the crosspoint feature to post identical content across the Fediverse. It helps avoid spamming people's feeds with each individual occurrence, and creates crosslinks that facilitates people to see where all the conversations are, spread across the various communities.
this post was submitted on 02 Oct 2024
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I did use the crosspost feature. Something's wrong with it?
Hrm, I see... yes that's odd bc e.g. this post is aware of the other one, but the reverse seems not true, and also these posts show up twice in my feed, sorted by Hot (do they not for you? Maybe try sorting by New and look around that timeframe) So I guess I don't know as much about cross-posting as I thought!?:-P
Fwiw, here are a couple of examples I was basing my thoughts on: example 1 example 2. They both have that "cross-posted to" notation, but it could be bc they are merely URL links, or perhaps bc they both happen to be on the same instance - and maybe cross-posting to different communities across multiple instances doesn't work quite the same way?
Working with the Fediverse is not "just like email" - this kind of thing continues to baffle those unaware (in this case, it seems all of us:-).
Yeah, crossposting could definitely use some improvements. I noticed these threads are missing that "cross-posted to" notation as well. You may be right that it's only for link posts.
They both have that “cross-posted to” notation, but it could be bc they are merely URL links
Correct, the "cross-posted to" relies on the URL to identify crossposts.
There was no URL in OP's posts, hence no "cross-posted to"
Working with the Fediverse is not “just like email”
It kind of is, if you ever worked with people learning how to use email, attaching files can be quite confusing to them.
Hehe, maybe it's been too long since I had to learn how to use email:-). (Though attaching files seems trivial - click button, click file, click attach? Unless, as indeed sometimes happens, Microsoft intervenes with its bullshit and prevents the receiver from being able to access what the sender meant to offer, by putting it onto the f-ing cloud and then blocking the receiver from accessing it there without jumping through several hoops, rather than simply "attaching the file" as was asked for. But at that point, I wouldn't blame "email" for MS profit-seeking behaviors, trying to work in advertisements for their services into what should have been an extremely simple procedure.)
Anyway, pressing the icon labelled as "cross-post" does not seem to always make a cross-post, or perhaps more precisely it sometimes can make a bidirectional linkage whereas other times it will only make a unidirectional one - thus allowing the post to show up multiple times in people's feeds, while also not notifying people who click on the original link from knowing that there even is a second one (i.e. it is not fully "cross-linked"). Even when done by the same author as back-to-back actions, and even when pressing the button when you are already at one of the posts - but in any case both the page and the Lemmy software definitely "knows" the origin of the post, as well as the destination point too. So bidirectional linkages seem like they could always be made? The URL perhaps made it easier for the software to do the tracking but it's not the only possible way?
Well, it's not like I am volunteering to learn Rust and contribute towards a solution - and beggers cannot be choosers - though I was just pointing out that there is a lot of such things that continue to trip people up. And the documentation for such seems noticeably lacking. e.g. the sidebar on my instance points to https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/01-getting-started.html as the get started guide, and lemmy.world points to a different guide at https://support.lemmy.world/quickstart/, but a search for the word "cross" pulls up zero hits in either of them.
I would volunteer to make a post in [email protected], except that even after all of this I find that I now know less about cross-posting than I thought I did back before I started:-). Also I think I am in the vast minority to use the webpage interface rather than any of the apps. Plus really, it seems like something that shouldn't need "explanation" as to why it doesn't work as expected, so much as working on the code to make it do so. Which is possibly already happening? And it sounds like something that needs back-end support, not something that an app could just do on its own.
Well, there's my TED talk I suppose:-P.
in any case both the page and the Lemmy software definitely “knows” the origin of the post, as well as the destination point too. So bidirectional linkages seem like they could always be made?
It does not. As I said above, the software uses the URLs to identify crossposts and shows them as such.
If there is no URL, then it does not know if there is a crosspost.
That might be improved, as you suggested, but that's not the way the software works now
How about we just stop talking about, referring to it, mentioning it or using it.
I moved on last summer and never looked back ... I just exclusively post, meme, share and talk to people on Lemmy now and have never looked back in any way at all.
The best way to migrate is to just cut ties and move on. Think about it ... how did you start with the 'old site that shall not be named'? ... you just started using it until it became normal. We should do the same here. Just use Lemmy or whatever fediverse service you like until it becomes normal and we can forget about whatever came before it.
stop talking about what?
exactly
Y'all can hate me if you wish but I just downvote every reddit link.
As someone who is primarily a poster here, let me just say, if you're going to downvote for a reason like this, please say that's why you're downvoting if that's what you're going to do, at least the first time or so.
I post the least controversial stuff possible, yet still get random downvotes. I have no clue why. I don't know if you don't like the actual content, if you hate the source, if you hate the comment I made, if you hate me personally, or if you're just a maniac that downvotes every single post. I want to post what makes my readers happy, but if you don't tell me what it is you don't like, I have no way of knowing!
I don't post any Reddit content, but I, for better or worse, have to primarily source things off Facebook. I repost it so none of you need to go there. I add what I feel is valuable commentary when needed. I answer your questions on the content so you don't have to go to the primary source you don't want to participate in, but I share it solely so I am sharing the primary source. I can't get much of the content I get (from animal rescues that have not the volunteers, time, or money to host their own sites, so they use what is free and easy and has the biggest audience because they rely on charitable giving) from anywhere else, and I will explain that to you if you still feel the need to downvote me every time anyway.
If you're going to downvote someone for a non-obvious reason like a really bad take, poor manners, etc, I feel you should tell them why if you would like to actually see a change in behavior or maybe find out why they do what they do.
Ok.
I have a theory that the random handful of downvotes that tend to happen on a perfectly good post. On some mobile clients, it is really easy to accidentally downvote something with a gesture while scrolling. If you aren't paying attention, you won't even notice it.
Definitely another possibility. I know I've hit the buttons unintentionally before myself.
I just thought this was a good time to mention that if there was an intent behind it, like with the 2 commenters here, that it would be more productive to let the poster know rather than to assume they know why they're being downvoted in those cases. It just helps both parties.
Me too.
Also, stop referencing those shit bags in any form in the Fediverse.
eg: this group. Duh.
How about not spamming the same goddamn thing 3 times.
I thought crossposting is encouraged?
I had the same impression, but it also doesn't seem like apps group cross posts (at least sync doesn't) so if you don't wait between posts they end up next to each other in the all feed.
A way to merge crossposts visually would be nice. You could check on github if there's a suggestion for that already.
Lemmy is not so massively huge that everyone is branched off into their own silos. Post it once.
Well, various instances block each other, and mods and admins are not all on the same page. And just like it's important to have independent instances, it's important that single communities don't dominate either.
I think a better solution would be to make a github suggestion to visually merge crossposted threads.
Blocking is extremely rare, not the rule. It would have to be the norm for things to be necessary like you're suggesting. As it is right now for the vast, vast, vast majority of users you are spamming everyone and making Lemmy a worse place. I shouldn't have to block communities and entire instances to not be spammed.