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The multinational has removed dozens of apps, even though the Kremlin’s censorship body did not order the move. These services, half-permitted by the government, enable people in Russia to access social networks and independent media

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[–] Maggoty 31 points 17 hours ago

Corporations. Are. Not. Your. Friend.

This message courtesy of corporations rent seeking on public infrastructure our economies cannot survive without.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Why don't they just disable iphones entirely from accessing Russian cell towers and prevent iphones from connecting to Russian IP addresses?

[–] Frostbeard 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

While I understand your idea, thats a level of censorship in the hands of a private company that is so cyber punk dystopian that it makes William Gibson cry.

Imagine your phone will start playing the Chinese anthem before it sends your dickpicks to your mother

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No more dystopian than banning someone from Reddit. If you violate a TOS of any service provider, they're usually within their right to terminate your access to the service. If Apple wants to truly shut down Russian usership of their products, they obviously have the power to do so. I find it more dystopian that there's a multinational multitrillion dollar company that has the power to act ethically in this scenario but chooses to just remove apps from the app store, as if Russians aren't already culturally inclined to look for hacks or workarounds.

[–] Frostbeard 1 points 12 hours ago

Ofc they have the power to do so. John Deere did just that with stolen machines (incidentally underlining that you actually rent their machines) My point is that you buy the iphone hardware, and the use is not a service. And the possibility of bricking it at Apples, Samsung or Huawei whim is for me dystopian. Access to software, storefronts and internet pages is slightly different in my opinion.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Because then Russians would stop buying their phones.

[–] masterbaexunn 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Why are they selling iphones in Russia?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 2 points 11 hours ago

To generate profit.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 15 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 104 points 2 days ago (20 children)

This is why you don't buy into closed-garden ecosystems like this. If you're on iOS, there's nothing you can do about it, you're at their mercy. Android has great support for side loading. There's really only one choice if you care about freedom.

[–] KoalaUnknown 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You can side load on iPhone, it’s just not as easy. I have multiple side loaded apps.

[–] Kbobabob 8 points 15 hours ago

So you're saying that Apple doesn't have great support for side loaded apps unlike Android.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Don't you have to renew them all the time though?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Not anymore if you use their new sideloading framework... which is only available in the EU

[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago

You still have to if you sign yourself. You still need a dev Account to sign for longer timeframe

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[–] [email protected] 147 points 2 days ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

The U.S. company — whose phones are still sold in Russian stores despite the firm officially leaving the market due to the invasion of Ukraine...

Apple taking a brave stand as ever.

Edit: This was not the smartest comment.

[–] Kbobabob 7 points 15 hours ago

Apple left Russia but their phones are still making it there from China. What stand do you mean?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Apple could still easily release updates for their phones that prevent anyone from connecting to a Russian cell tower or connecting to a Russian IP address.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

I thought about that, but it would affect iPhone users from outside Russia who are traveling in Russia, and Apple probably wouldn't want that.

[–] IsThisAnAI 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Is your expectation that Apple will send in troops to raid phone stores inside of Russia?

[–] Kbobabob 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe they expect them to stop China from selling them to Russia, bahahaha

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago

I misunderstood and my comment wasn't well considered. It was even dumb.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Suspicious!

You can use most VPN services via the Wireguard or OpenVPN apps though, or even via some of the protocols natively supported by iOS not requiring any third-party app.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

Nothing suspicious. Russia is openly engaging in a war of aggression and money laundering. They have a storied history of corruption, kleptomania, and deceitful diplomacy (HUR HUR AMERICA BAD TOO!). An American company is trying to ~~do the bare minimum~~ put pressure on Russians.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Normies never heard about wireguard nor openvpn, this enough to deter a lot of ppl imo

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The issue is 3rd party apps make it easier for non-techie people to subvert censorship. Raising the bar works bigly in the Kremlin's favor.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I see no mention of what they actually removed or how reputable they are. "VPN apps" are a reasonably common approach to spyware. (Common enough that literally Facebook has done it.)

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