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How Jill Stein could derail Democrats again (www.axios.com)

submitted 1 month ago by fukhueson to c/news

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Here's an article from after the 2016 election about Stein and third parties impact. I think it's interesting and good practice to compare the current moments with the past.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/10/third-party-candidate-gary-johnson-jill-stein-clinton-loss

It’s easy to see why people point the finger at third-party votes. In Michigan, where the election was so close that the Associated Press still hasn’t called the result, Trump is ahead by about 12,000 votes. That’s significantly less than the 242,867 votes that went to third-party candidates in Michigan. It’s a similar story elsewhere: third-party candidates won more total votes than the Trump’s margin of victory in Wisconsin, Arizona, North Carolina and Florida. Without those states, Trump would not have won the presidency.

(An aside: while looking for articles using duckduckgo, an "AI" gave me a breakdown, and I hate it. Wtf DDG, you too?)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah I was disappointed by DDG when I first saw their AI crap, but fortunately they let you turn it off completely.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah. For now at least. Is it their own bot, or are they using the same one as the company they get search results from? I forget if it's Google or Bing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They say they provide "anonymous access to popular AI models, including GPT-4o mini, Claude 3, and open-source Llama 3.1 and Mixtral"

So it seems to be a bit of everything.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Interesting. Thanks

[–] reddig33 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who wants to vote for Jill Stein.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 1 month ago

I'm guessing those that do find out quickly why it was a bad idea.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Ranked Choice Voting (or ANYTHING with preference polling) would be vastly better than our current system. It would enable 3rd parties to thrive without being nearly the spoilers they are now.

Every voting system as it's flaws and edge cases, but our current First Past the Post system is a trainwreck crushing the Republic by degrading into two majority parties (as it demonstrably always does) and then letting other countries and dark money prop up spoiler candidates to hurt their opponents.

We either fix our voting system or we eventually lose the Republic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

A small but miserable side effect of the ongoing genocide in palestine is that it's legitimized tankies.

Before the genocide tankies were bootlicking putin and supporting the invasion of ukraine. They were becoming increasing irrelevant and unpopular.

But the genocide has given tankies plenty of legitimate and reasonable talking points. That's why they're so much louder, more visible, more coherent, etc.

If empire wants tankies to go away, then it should stop acting so incredibly evil as to make tankies seem reasonable.

[–] fukhueson 1 points 1 month ago

I see.

https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-vladimir-putin-war-criminal-1954965

Hasan later asked Stein why she had labeled Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal, but not Putin.

"Well, as John F. Kennedy said, we must not negotiate out of fear and we must not fear to negotiate," she replied. "So, if you want to be an effective world leader, you don't start by name-calling and hurling epithets."

"So, how will President Stein negotiate with Israel then if you've called Netanyahu a war criminal?" Hasan asked in response.

"Well, because he very clearly is a war criminal," Stein said, prompting Hasan to ask: "So Putin clearly isn't a war criminal?"

"Well, we don't have a decision—put it this way—by the International Criminal Court," Stein said.

The ICC has issued an arrest warrant for Putin, alleging that he is responsible for war crimes. No such warrant has been issued for Netanyahu, whose war on Gaza has killed more than 40,000 Palestinians. However, the chief prosecutor of the ICC has applied for an arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Instead of focusing on the thousands that are further left than you, maybe you should try to convince the millions that aren't. But hey that would be far more democratic and wouldn't be helpful to the status quo would it now....