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[–] [email protected] 89 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Risk of Rain 2 is developed by just 8 people. It's a game that I don't regret buying early access because the early access till 1.0 is the smoothest sailing i've ever seen for a game. I have a pretty old pc that's low spec even back then, the game just run smoothly.

And of course a multibillion company is the one messing thing up.

[–] Cadeillac 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I didn't realize Gearbox had any part in it. Are they just the publisher?

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They bought the IP from hopoo a few years ago, and this DLC is 100% by Gearbox internal dev.

[–] CodexArcanum 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Man that is the saddest thing. I really loved that series, sounds like it's cooked.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

The content looks pretty good though, sadly with Gearbox takeover i think the polish just gonna suffer from now on.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

no it's being developed by an internal team now

[–] Cadeillac 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

they're not that bad, they had been working with hopoo for a while before the IP sale

[–] Cadeillac 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The article says otherwise

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

idk maybe the team changed but last I heard (from hopoo) the internal gbx team were mainly the folks who did work on sotv and anniversary update

[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Something to note is that it's not just the DLC, the patch that released alongside it introduced a slew of bugs to everyone who owns the game. Apparently this includes framerate now affecting things like movement speeds, enemies sometimes dealing insane bursts of damage randomly, invisible enemy projectiles, among other gameplay breaking stuff. Total disaster.

Sigh... I guess we saw it coming with Gearbox...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You mean if I just update my game on Steam, it will get messed up? I don't have the DLC

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Maybe the most significant issue is that, for some reason, the Seekers of the Storm update has tied Risk of Rain 2's physics systems to its frame rate. When asked about it on Discord, Gearbox developer GBX-Preston said FPS-related issues, "and all the ramifications on balance/physics/attack speed/movement/etc. were not intentional. This is in our top handful of issues we're investigating." As a stopgap, he said players experiencing issues should lock the game at 60 fps.

Amazing. How the fuck did you do that?

[–] CluckN 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

From what I’ve read they tried to combine the console and PC version into a unified single version. Gearbox must’ve seen the Borderlands movie and sought to lower the bar below the ocean floor.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

From what I’ve read they tried to combine the console and PC version into a unified single version.

JFC. Starting off with something that is cross-compatible is one thing, but trying to merge the two codebases together... that's a 2-3+ year effort, minimum.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's in Unity, isn't it? So rather than multiplying the speeds by Time.deltaTime when you're doing frame updates, you just don't do that. Easy peasy. They've got that real "Japanese game devs from twenty years ago" vibe going.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Or even a decade ago. Dark Souls 2 had some enemies' attack animations tied to frame rate, like the Alonne Knights. So they attacked incredibly fast on PC compared to console.

Weapon degradation was also tied to framerate :(

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim 3 points 2 months ago

At least Gearbox isn't spending a year+ denying that the problem exists.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Minecraft has this wonderful mechanism where everything is dependent on game-tick/server-tick, which is independent of player FPS. Why do modern developers keep using FPS for game physics?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Minecraft is different because it uses a client and server pattern, separating the physics and display loops completely

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

basically every game uses ticks lol this was not intentional

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Huh, now i know why that particular enemy are janky as heck in every aspect.

[–] bigmclargehuge 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You mean "Bethesda to this day?"

[–] ms_lane 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They fixed that with 76, Both 76 and Starfield have physics untied from framerate.

[–] bigmclargehuge 2 points 2 months ago

Thats great to hear. Not surprised about Starfield tbh, but I am surprised they fixed it for F76, considering it relies largely on the same tech as F4, which does have that limitation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Destiny 2 still struggles with this. Some enemy attacks 1 shot because at high frame rates they hit the player multiple times as the projectile passes through the player character's model

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Steam should implement mandatory version history rollbacks. Super lame that it's optional, at the dev's discretion.

[–] epicsninja 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You can freely download old versions of steam games. You used to be able to do it through the steam console, but now you have to use an external application.

Edit: you can still do it through the Steam Console.

[–] KeraKali 22 points 2 months ago

Wel it was in a pretty good place until they came along...

[–] pyre 15 points 2 months ago

I AM ONCE AGAIN ASKING FOR GEARBOX TO NOT SUCK

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Obviously, the solution is to use the turbo button to slow things down.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

main issue is that with console parity and unity version upgrade a lot of things are now tied to fps, but they are aware of it and are working on it. the main issues were regional pricing (which has been remedied) and all embracer products (including this dlc) being unpurchasable in Russia. Basically, give it a couple weeks