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From pages 170 & 171:

[T]he multilateral treaties, conventions and agreements of an economic or technical character enumerated below … shall alone be applied as between Germany and those of the Allied and Associated Powers party thereto:

. . . .

(22) Convention of November 16 and 19, 1885, regarding the establishment of a concert pitch.

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[–] Windex007 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

So not only did they fuck up by setting the stage for WWII but they ALSO fucked up that A442 is the way to go.

[–] SacredHeartAttack 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The problem is pitch inflation.

Basically, tuning slightly higher than what the composer intended, will make the performance sound more brilliant.

[–] SacredHeartAttack 3 points 2 months ago

Oh, I understand. I kinda glazed over it saying concert pitch in the headline.

[–] Windex007 2 points 2 months ago

444 is also insane, fyi

[–] jaggedrobotpubes 1 points 2 months ago

Speedrunners will it to A=500 before you know it

[–] trolololol 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What if it's death march as the second piece and your want to tune lower, do you need to re tune your piano or do you carry your 2nd piano in your pocket?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Well, you don't do that. You pick one frequency, in our case it was generally 442 Hz, and then you play the whole concert with that.

Re-tuning a piano can easily take an hour. And re-tuning an orchestra is just as well a multi-minute cacophonie. The audience would rather listen to a slightly too brilliant death march than that...

[–] Windex007 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] SacredHeartAttack 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh gimme a break I misread the headline. I’m way to old to be called a child by anyone.

[–] Windex007 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Headline aside, what most people don't realize is that the mapping of frequency to pitch is a social construct. Outside of the VERY few people with perfect pitch.

What humans hear musically are the relative construction of sound which is why key transposition is generally unnoticed even by lifetime professional musicians.

I didn't mean to rib you specifically. I meant to rib in general the beautiful disconnect between science and art that exists in the domain of the humanity of music

[–] SacredHeartAttack 2 points 2 months ago

Fair. I’m a 25yr musician and 20yr audio engineer. I innately understand and agree with all those points.

[–] marcos 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I was about to joke how that probably contributed to WWII, but it turns out they had already pushed it into Germany and Italy 30 years before WWI.

But, humm... Unless it was Japan's reason to join.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

You mean 432?