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[–] Warl0k3 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Copy editing is a tragically lost art. Also that thing is hilarious. Run out of bullets and you can just punch the enemy planes with your serrated brass knuckles.

[–] jpreston2005 20 points 3 months ago

I wonder how often it would occur that the pilot would shoot his own instrument cluster. Like when you're holding two things, one to put in the trash, and one to save, and you brainfart into throwing away the item you intended to save, just staring at the trash in your hand waiting for your brain to catch-up...

"Oops, there goes my altimeter... dangit."

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

It would be cool to have a brass catcher for rifles. If I was designing one it would attach to the picatinny rail on top. I hate hunting for brass but I want to keep things looking nice and do a bit of reloading

Edit: One google later and yeah people make them. Sick!

[–] w2tpmf 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They're cool in theory, but suck to use.

The bag full of shells flaps and clanks every time you shoot. Then it fills up and you have to stop to empty it about once per magazine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah you have to decide whether you hate policing the brass more than using the bag.

[–] w2tpmf 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don't reload for the AR so I just rake/sweep it all up into a dustpan when I'm done.

..so not worth it.

[–] xpinchx 7 points 3 months ago

I've seen bag types used in heli ops.

[–] SquiffSquiff 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Would it not have been simpler to just use a revolver?

[–] Wizard_Pope 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Bring 12 revolvers

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Have they considered just not using a pistol to try and take down a plane?

[–] setsneedtofeed 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why didn't they just use F/A-18F Super Hornet supersonic twin-engine, carrier-capable, multirole fighter aircraft in 1914? Are they stupid?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Based on military strategy at the time I'm going to go with yes! They were very stupid.

[–] setsneedtofeed 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Military strategy and tactics are forced to constantly play catch up to technology and context. Looking at history, it helps to take off the hindsight goggles and meme filter and look at why people did what they did, with the resources they had, with the goals they were given.

There were many missteps and mistakes, some of them were simply bad, but WW1 is very prone to being reduced to memes that strip away any nuance and only magnify the failures.

[–] PugJesus 2 points 3 months ago

To be fair, the French military published a very brilliant and prescient paper on the nature of the coming war and the tactics it would require a handful of years before the War broke out... and the brass proceeded to completely ignore that paper in favor of 'tried and true' tactics.

Pigheadedness and tunnel-vision may not be stupidity per se, but it's close enough that few observers are going to care about the difference.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If there's a single period of military history where contemporary and future experts agreed that the military leaders of the time were mostly blood thirsty and delusional morons who did not care how many people their inbred and willful idiocy got killed, it's WW1, so that's a pretty forgiving take for some of history's most ineffective commanders.

[–] setsneedtofeed 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Which battlefield commanders would you say did not adjust their tactics over the course of the war?

[–] Glemek 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not who you replied to orginally but: Luigi Cadorna

[–] PugJesus 2 points 3 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Tragically, John Wick was born too late to be a WWI pistol fighter ace.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Fuck, now I want to see that

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No one's ever considered this, they just developed more and more elaborate pistols.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Imagine how much more awesome that timeline would have been

[–] SquiffSquiff 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You don't need to bring down the plane, just the pilot, probably traveling at 30mph in open cockpit

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Sure bro. That's why the skies were an absolute bloodbath even before the invention of turret mounted and propeller synchronized machine gun mounts.

[–] setsneedtofeed 12 points 3 months ago

1911s (and their ammunition) were already on hand. It is easier and faster to create a non-precision piece that attaches to the grip than it is scrounge up entirely new weapons and ammo.

Not like this lasted long anyway. In short order planes began getting proper armament.

[–] Anticorp 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Pilots had to learn to shoot left handed?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

No they just had to stop masturbating when enemies came close.

[–] setsneedtofeed 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why would you say that? It's being gripped with the right hand in the picture.

[–] Anticorp 3 points 3 months ago

Oh, it was hard to tell. Looked left handed to me. I'm on a phone, so the picture detail isn't great. I can see it now though. They kind of messed up the bottom fingers.