I reject the premise that right-wingers can be anarchists. I don’t care what they call themselves. Anarchism is a left-wing movement, fundamentally.
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anarcho-capitalism is actually corporate fascism
A bit debatable on the individual level but that’s likely what it would lead to. Some ancaps are weirdly anti-corporate though. They think somehow big powerful corporations were created by the state. Which is true in some cases but clearly not in others.
All corporations are created by the state. Corporations only exist because of the laws that create them. Without that special legal status it’s pretty much impossible to grow to the sizes most corporations do.
The same is true for private-property and capitalism in general, which is why "anarcho-capitalism" is so absurd.
I wholeheartedly agree!
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I’m not sure I fully agree… some corporate entities are large enough to be self reinforcing. In practice they may end up recreating the state, but I don’t think it’s necessary impossible for large corporate structures to emerge in a stateless society. Of course, the nature of the stateless society is a very important variable here. A society that is hostile to accumulated wealth and social domination would make this much more difficult.
A corporation is a legal construct. While it’s theoretically possible for a single business to grow very large, most of the exploitation and legal cover provided by the simple act of incorporation becomes nearly impossible.
Plus without a state to push down competition, it becomes a lot harder to monopolize a market. Ideally there wouldn’t even be a market to monopolize, but that’s a different discussion altogether.
Incorporation is just a formality required by law. Corporations could still exist through internal cooperation without that, as long as there is no outside force that disrupts them.
In the absence of the state, a corporate structure can pursue its own coercive methods to maintain market dominance. And of course, some markets are naturally prone to monopoly due to the barriers to competition.
Anything the state can do, a large enough corporation can do as well. So this logic just doesn’t add up.
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Are large street gangs (Crips, etc.) not an example of a huge corporation operating outside the benefits of the law?
A corporation by definition benefits from the law.
Corporations are businesses that have been given the the legal rights of a person. As if they had a body. Or corpus, if you will.
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It's just latter-day feudalism. Their program is to Make Landlords Lords Again.
Yes, and I think that’s the joke here.
Kind of seems like that’s what they’re getting at but I find this linguistic deception so irritating that I can’t even tolerate the implicit suggestion here that the top dude might be some kind of anarchist.
The people the meme is referring to call themselves anarcho-capitalists, it's not even implicit. It's why they have the blue line flag and Gadsden flag, where normally these would be contradictory they lack the critical thinking skills to not polish boots with their tongue.
If they didn't blatantly steal ideas from the left and twist it to support rich people, where would they get ideas? Have you stopped and considered how mentally bankrupt they are?
Back The Blue supporters jamming to Rage against the Machine for decades then suddenly getting upset at the band.
Same vibes as when they got mad at Green Day for trashing Trump. Like they never paid attention at all.
But a punk band trashing a right-wing president? That's never happened before!
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Jesse plemons was awesome in this scene, but I'm not sure if the character is someone leftist anarchists want to model themselves after lol
That's what I thought. The meme is backwards.
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Meth Daemon: "Paris Commune of 1927 or Shanghai Commune of 1928?"
Wagner Moura: "Neither. They both deprived the aristocracy of their rightfully contracted private property."
Meth Daemon: "Die Heretic!"
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I was surprised by how much I enjoyed that movie.
What movie is that from?
Civil War
One of the best movies I've seen in a long time! Great acting, music, writing, costumes, concept, locations. Proper cinematic experience!
It was amazing. What ~~are~~ I mean would the media do while a country tears itself apart?
I'm a fan of Alex Garland. I probably went into it a bit too hyped, and still thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Why is the Gadsden flag placed alongside a thin blue line flag? Those symbols are mutually exclusive. I would also strongly question the intent of the valknut symbol.
Ancaps are not ideologically consistent.
I would hesitate to call this only an inconsistency; it's really more of an example of cognitive dissonance.
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Standard libertarian/ancap combo. Don't tread on me (the Gadsden flag), tread on my enemies (the thin blue line flag). The valknut signals who those enemies are (blacks and immigrants) just in case the thin blue line by itself wasn't explicitly racist enough.
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Why is the Gadsden flag placed alongside a thin blue line flag? Those symbols are mutually exclusive.
You should tell that to the endless sea of car bumpers and flagpoles I see flying both those flags and a Trump flag.
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I've seen this in the wild. I always ask myself "who do you think does the treading?"
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Can I get a guide to all those logos, please?
The yellow and black flag is the ancap (anarcho-capitalist) flag. The rattlesnake is a libertarian icon and says "don't step on me". Bitcoin was built out of a libertarian idea that the government was to blame for the 2008 GFC because they somehow regulated the banks too much, so a decentralized digital currency was the best way to get around that regulation. ETA: the black and white US flag with the blue stripe is the "thin blue line" flag, flown by supporters of the police, typically a symbol used by the right wing of America. The three interlocking triangles form the valknut, a symbol used by ancient Germanic people's, and currently used by people who identify with Germany and the Vikings; white supremacists make up a large group who fit this description.
The red and black flag is an anarchist flag, a combination of two older anarchist flags: the black flag and the red flag. The ancap flag is descended from this one, replacing the red with gold (because gold is a very old and widely used form of currency, and money good, government bad). The purple and black one is the anarcha-feminst flag, and they also use the pink and black flag, but it's primarily seen as the queer anarchist flag. I'm sure I don't need to explain the LGBT+ flag. All Cops Are Bastards (ACAB) is a popular slogan amongst anarchists because cops are the strong arm of the state, and as such Black Lives Matter is a movement that a lot of anarchists strongly identify with and support.
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AnCaps are basically Anarchism minus the political theory (aka all the core fundemental values of Anarchism) and with too much economic theory from Murray Rothbard ("free market" capitalism). The best thing I can say about them is that most of them grow out of it and choose an actual version of Anarchism as soon as they're exposed to theory (at least I did and now I'm an AnSynd).
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