Ok now sample the dirt next to an oil refinery, coal mine, and gas station
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"Slashing carbon dioxide emissions with innovations like electric cars is critical,
No it’s not. You can be more effective with mass transit and incentivizing work from home.
All those things can happen simultaneously
Never said they couldn’t. Just said that electric cars aren’t critical. Mass transit, however, is.
You'd need both, honestly. Electric cars are a great idea in a lot of situations. The problem with electric cars is that countries like the United States will need 300 million or more just to match current car usage because the country is so car dependent. I grew up in a rural area in the US and had to drive 30+ minutes just to get to a grocery store. If I wanted to take public transportation I'd need a ride from someone with a car to get to the station or walk 2+ hours. Not only that, but most cities that are car dependent don't even have the infrastructure for mass public transportation. They'd have to redesign the entire city just to get anything besides buses. The car dependency is so deeply built into cities that it would cost astronomical amounts of money just to get a basic train system. It's why most cities just opt for a new bus route.
Buses are still good. They have electric buses in Prague. There’s the BRT invented in Brazil and brought over successfully to England. Mass transit doesn’t need to be trains. Turn a lane into a dedicated bus lane and put some ticketing stations outside and you have a BRT solution.
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And restructuring our cities to live a less carbon intensive live is critical. Yes it will cost a lot. It’s still needed.
I don't disagree. I would use public transportation if I could. I do think that it is kinda silly to say electric vehicles will solve everything about climate change when the top 20 corporations produce 80% of pollution. The restructuring of our cities to support these kinds of things is very important as well. I'm just saying that electric vehicles will be a necessary component that we, unfortunately, cannot rule out. Even if everyone had access to public transportation we would still need vehicles. And it would be better to have electric ones.
Alright, so we’re saying the exact same thing.
I wonder when the stupid is going to realize that they're being played about being/going green and saving the environment. Pssssst the Western World powers don't actually give a fk about being green and saving the environment, they just use that to create excuses to eliminate your freedoms and your access to perfectly fine resources.
Similarly, I wonder when the stupid is going to realize that perfect is the enemy of good and something can be dirty and still be a marked improvement.
https://news.mit.edu/2013/study-air-pollution-causes-200000-early-deaths-each-year-in-the-us-0829
Does this identify the side effects / symptoms that leads to death? What is it about air pollution / quality that causes pre-mature deaths?
They're talking about batteries from phones and other consumer goods
Look up, "recycling scam".
Government doesn't care about these problems. They pretend to care because it is a tool for more control over the people. The people who are all about saving the environment are gonna make demands of the government, just like the government would want, and government will try to solve it in a way that only limits our freedom. Like Commiefornia, who plans to eliminate all vehicles who depends on crude oil for energy, whether its citizens like it or not.