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but really, I wonder how much of what we're feeling is the absence of repost bots, and serial karma farmers.
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It's also the sheer volume of comments on Reddit. There are far fewer people commenting here, so each individual comment stands out more.
Exactly, I can actually read every comment in a thread and not get bogged down reading 300 comments on the same thing
I remember the old days of reddit and slashdot et al. A typical post would have a few dozen or maybe one or two hundred replies. A huge post would have like five or eight hundred replies. A thousand was insane.
These days, 10,000+ is not uncommon. The biggest threads have had tens of thousands of replies. It's insane, the inflation.
I was going to say. For now.
But that said, I think the ability to curate community experiences is fundamentally shifted for better or worse by federation. Users, mods, and admins aren't locked in any more.
Actually, how does karma or reputation work on lemmy or kbin?
there's no account karma, only up votes or down votes on specific posts/comments. Maybe that'll reduce karma farmers but then again karma is useless on reddit and yet they still farm.
I'm also curious about this. I have several posts that are upvoted but one that's downvoted and my reputation is negative from that one post :/
Also curious, going to this discussion on lemmy doesn't show kbin replies...
It currently counts the boosts as upvotes instead of the upvote button itself, but the downvote button does count as downvotes which is why that is. I don't remember the exact cause of this at the moment but I'm sure it's only temporary.
I'm assuming the boosts are for activitypub compatibility with Mastodon?
Oh cool. Any thoughts why people posting from other instances shows up to us but those of us on kbin who comment, our posts don't show up on the original instance thread?
I noticed that too but I'm unsure of the technicalities.
At the moment I'm guessing that either comments just don't sync back or that what we see here is only a clone of this post from lemmyworld on here and we're commenting on the clone instead of the original post on their instance.
Those are only wild guesses though since I'm not too familiar with how kbin works but that would be why I personally think this could be.
Anyways the devs are/will be probably working on this too since some other threads have adressed problems with commenting to other instances and or replying to comments of this instance.
Yeah that would be my guess too. Seems an early stage for this technology but it's really neat, I look forward to it maturing and the devs are doing an amazing job already.
It will never show an consistent number. The way Activitypub operates is "you see what you're subscribed to", and that occurs in a technical/political sense of "these instances have agreed to federate", and in many cases they don't federate everything that happens. So if someone on instance A upvotes something posted on instance B, but instance C is not subscribed to instance A, A and B will see the upvote, C won't.
You don't have to give up on your clout-chasing dreams, but the numbers won't tell the whole story.
It doesn’t. Post or comment votes affect that post or comment.
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I'm actually more inclined to comment, and engage, here than I would on Reddit. Here I feel like I'm actually contributing verses in Reddit where I'm just one in a sea of thousands.
I was just saying this to a friend yesterday. My interactions here just feel so much more genuine, like I'm part of a real community. I just really hope it stays that way in the face of unforeseeable growth.
I've felt this so hard the past few days. I would often post on Reddit and never get noticed or find myself just wading through a sea of garbage. Here, it's a lot less noisy but the interactions I do have are noticeably more genuine and that feels great.
I didn't notice it until recently, but I whole-heartedly believe that Reddit was bad for my health.
100% this. I ended every day doomscrolling until I got bored or the feed accidentally refreshed and sent me back to the top. Now I'm starting to see how bad that was for me.
I haven't been on reddit since Sunday and today I took a peek at the front page and was instantly angry and defensive. I am glad to have a do over here. I too doom scrolled all day looking for things that confirm my bias and make me agitated. It will take some time for me to get past that mentality.
I have a new addiction now. 🤣
The past few days have shown me how absolutely addicted I am to reddit. It was actually scary being able to physically feel my brain screaming for some easy hits of dopamine.
Honestly the 48 hour blackout was probably one of the best things to happen to my mental health in a very long time.
I am definitely more willing to participate in the community and comments when I know someone may actually see what I say
Yeah, this is why the vast majority of my Reddit interactions are deep in a thread. Some of the comments I'm most proud of have like 40 upvotes, compared to some of my most popular, which have thousands; at that scale though, the 40 feels more meaningful because it's 40 people who have said they like the thing you wrote
I think the difference is that each of us are contributing to a network instead of shouting into a void. Arguably, we are still shouting into a void, it just doesn't have the chatmovingsofastnoonewillseeimgay effect yet. There's an actual opportunity for engagement and discussion here though, for sure.
On Reddit I was not above petty arguments and down voting. Here I feel like things are more personal and I would rather discuss than simply consider the other person to not be worth engaging with. It's been very long since I've felt this way online. Hopefully lemmy does not outgrow this.
To be honest, I remember Reddit having a similar feel back in the day before it grew so massive. But this is still nice.
Actually being able to see my content on the page instead of being drowned in a sea of reposts, it feels better and makes me more motives to post instead of just lurking.
That was also why reddit became flooded with low effort pun chains. Why spend time writing a thoughtful reply for it to be buried, when u can make 5 puns and have 1 of them go to the top?
Or song chains, or really just a quick insult. I'd always see high karma, one-liners. It severely discouraged conversation
This gets me thinking that this might be what reddit looked like back in the very beginning - lots of actual users interacting, making contents, etc.
As much as there are, very valid, concerns about friction and effort of entry I believe that negative is part of what’s making this era so positive.
Those who have made it this far have taken a bit of an extra effort to get here. When we get here and find it clean and shiny we’re more inspired to “keep the house clean”.
As much legitimate value Reddit has its also, in many ways, a cesspool. It’s very easy for even those with the best intents to get caught up in it. I know I succumbed to behaviors I’m not proud of. Thus far I haven’t had to fight that temptation here, as I haven’t encountered any behavior that has tempted me towards that darker side.
We’re doing a good job. Keep up the good work and let’s do our best to set a good example for those who follow.
As much as there are, very valid, concerns about friction and effort of entry I believe that negative is part of what’s making this era so positive.
I would say that's not far from what the old internet had going for it. Heck, even old Reddit. There are tons of posts about how good Reddit once was, but isn't anymore because it got big. I think there's just something about a huge section of the populous being in the same place all at once that makes people bitter towards each other.
100% agree. I’ve been around long enough to witness the rise and fall of many social services, even “pre-internet” such as Compuserve and QuanumLink. As they grow, civility has a bad habit of declining. It’s a pipe dream to believe that Lemmy will forever remain pristine but I want to believe federated services have a better shot as mods and admins don’t have to be nearly as tolerant of bad behavior as on the major services. There’s no business pressure to allow toxic communities to live on simply because they generate clicks and, as a result, revenue.
This is exactly how reddit felt in 2008 when I joined. The more things change, the more they stay the same. You can't get in the same river twice. This too shall pass. Etc etc
I feel the same way! I used to only lurk on reddit, I had an account for years and only made a couple of comments. On here I'm commenting and engaging more because I want to do my part to make the community grow. I really want to see this succeed because as a dev myself, seeing what reddit did to third party devs, to the dev of Apollo, I refuse to support that in any way, not with my data or with my time. I might make an attempt to piece together lemmy android app or see about contributing to Jerboa soon before my fall semester of school begins. I truly wish for this platform to grow
Agreed, it all feels a lot more human and natural. Though I will be glad when this Reddit thing calms down, at the minute we sound a bit like bitter angry ex-partners what with so many posts about it. It's to be expected I know, but once the community has let go of the past we can build a better future, I'm optimistic about that bit!
We may look back in the not-too-distant future and be pretty happy that the angry, bitter, Reddit "thing" happened. An open-sourced, federated model is just healthier than what most of us were satisfied with, before. It took all this to make this mass migration possible.
I've been trying to quit reddit for literally YEARS so I'm glad this is all going down. Lemmy is like a nice halfway house between reddit and sobriety, gives me a little bit of a hit that I need to get through the day and then I can just live my life without hitting refresh over and over.
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That might be true for the main threads at the other place but I spent most of my time in every place except the defaults, so I feel less of a difference. Even so, I know there's an uptick in quality just because there's a bit of friction getting into the fediverse and participating.
When I finally got to Mastodon as a Twitter replacement, I actually started to engage. I posted nothing on Twitter ever. Just had it for those moment when I was as sure that Donald trump couldn’t possibly have tweeted whatever it was I saw in a screenshot.
Now I want to actually talk and give a crap
It feels very refreshing to be here at Lemmy. It definitely feels like Reddit before the Digg war.
I feel more engaged and that I can share genuinely.
I'm glad you're feeling the same vibe here.
This new start feels like... really fresh, I like it. Willing to see it's development.
It has less bots, that's for sure.