124
If only those terrible Democrats had offered the Republicans literally everything they asked for on immigration in a single bill.
Because I'm sure they definitely wouldn't turn something like that down.
this post was submitted on 13 Jun 2024
124 points (98.4% liked)
News
21726 readers
4248 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Dems: Fine. Here. Now can we please help Ukraine?
republiQans:
Uhh how could you have seen it, it’s brand new?
Yeah, well, I saw it on a rerun.
I never get used to the descendants of genocidal colonizers complaining about people peacefully immigrating from another country.
Hmm. I guess the only people allowed to complain would be those whose families arrived after the 1880?
Hey don't get upset at me, I am pro-open borders, I am just following the logic of what you said.
Oh hey it's time for The Caravan(tm) again! I was worried we wouldn't see it this election cycle
Maybe he (Trump) should not have forced Republicans to kill the immigration legislation...
Forced? No one forces a member of Congress to do anything. All of them have successfull careers outside of Congress and more money than me or you will ever see.
Let's not pretend that most politicians go into Congress out of the goodness of their hearts. And let's not be naive enough to think that rich people are immune from wanting more money which being a Congress person tends to help with.
So yes, ignoring the requests of a vindictive presidential candidate means a Congress person stands a good chance of losing their seat which means less money for them.
They go in for power. If they want only money Congress is not the way to the best way to accomplish that. Nearly every single member of Congress was a lawyer with their own firm or partner at a firm.
So yes I stand by what I said
fOrCeD
Trump, at the very least, told leaders to quash the bill so Biden did not get a win. The bill was basically everything Republicans were asking for.
Not that I think it was a good bill nor do I agree with Biden's EO on immigration. But it's kind of hard for Republicans to complain when they reject implementing what they want.
But it's kind of hard for Republicans to complain when they reject implementing what they want.
I agree with you in principle, but clearly it’s not that hard since they are actively complaining and polls show voters trust Trump and Republicans over Biden to handle immigration. Somehow, they’re never really constrained by reality.
That sounds like a failure of Democratic messaging which is unfortunately not uncommon. Every Democrat should be pointing out that Republicans killed an immigration bill that implemented what they wanted all because Trump asked them to. Immigration is one of the top issues for most voters (no idea why). I really wish Democrats didn't suck so bad at marketing.
One other thing I often see that Democrats suck at talking about is inflation. Most of it has been from price gouging and Biden floated the idea of a windfall tax which was completely rejected by Republicans. Now companies are lowering their prices because people are not as willing to accept the supply chain and wage increase bullshit.
Immigration is one of the top issues for most voters
Racism. That's why, no mystery here. No one is whining about whites coming over.
It's exacerbated by the right-wing having a propaganda machine too. Democrats can communicate their wins (ineffectively as they do) but they don't make headlines like the outrage bait Fox airs. Bullshit asymmetry principle and all that.
Democrats are bad at marketing because a lot of them come from the school of political jousting. It's easy to lose touch with what the regular person believes politics is rather than the reality of the system where you can't make solid promises because things can go very wrong and playing the game means setting up long term strategy where best case scenario you have to suck short term losses. They are mostly invested in long term preservation of the system so over promising and under delivering is a held fear. In vulgar terms it is shitting where ideologically eat.
Republicans however basically promise the moon the sun and the stars and then when it doesn't happen they just rile up their base with anti-federal sentiments to make them rabid. There's no brakes on the anger machine which means there isn't a cohesive long term strategy. It's whatever does the job right here and now so they can as a group benefit off the short term gains. It's why so many of them are individually crashing and burning. No exit strategy - just commitment to scalp what you can out of the system and ditch before you get consequences. They know they can basically say anything and get what they want.
It's a major FUBAR situation and Democrats are only now learning how to publicly perform a sense of political urgency.
Polls. The Facepals/Instatag of the 1950’s.