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[–] [email protected] 170 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Dunno about Germany. It had a big move to the right. The second strongest party is now right, passing two other traditional established parties.

[–] [email protected] 101 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its amazing what happens when your erstwhile left-leaning parties spend more time playing footsie with billionaires then actually solving problems for regular people.

The political left has gotten too cosy with neoliberalism, and forgotten their roots, ceding kitchen-table issues to the right-wing.

Which is insane, because the right doesn't care about the poor except as grist for the mill, they're just better at faking empathy, or at least milking victimization

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

Well, that's what liberal democracy does to originally left-leaning politicians.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

Definitely agree. Maybe you could argue that you'd just need to cut out former East Germany to make the post accurate, but even overall, germanys far right is definitely strong.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Do german not see the effects of climate change? Why would they not vote for green party? Germany has faced such harsh weather this year with all sorts of weirdness

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes climate change all fine and well, but have you actually seen what they want us to do? Ride one of those gay bicycles to work and eat less beef. Next thing you know they want to put up renewable energy wind turbines in my neighborhood, that ruins the pretty landscape! No, I dont want to tighten ecological protections, why do you ask?

[–] grue 7 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Guys, is it gay to be strong and be self-reliant by transporting yourself with the power of your muscles?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

If so I'm all in

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In addition to the other comments: Germany has a lot of voters that are like 60+, some of which either don't care too much because they will die long before the worst of climate change happens, or simply don't want to change. Any policies that try to reduce carbon emissions are met with criticism by people not wanting to change their own behavior.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is a shitton of young people voting for the braindead AfD as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Sadly true! It seems their TikTok marketing campaign has paid off. I'm very disappointed by that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The green party is pretty much the neoliberal party in green paint.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can't speak for Europe, but Canadian green parties are an uncomfortable split between true-believers that are unfortunately spending more time on identity politics than environmentalism, and hucksters looking to make money off the green movement.

...and honestly they're more of the latter.

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[–] [email protected] 119 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I'm from Germany and the Nazis were 2nd strongest Power.

And they were even 1st strongest Power in the entire old GDR.

Would not call that “beating” yet. And maybe I'm not up-to-date about the Netherlands, but my latest info there was that the Far Right also won many votes again.

So still really shit times. When looking on the German Nazis they grow and grow.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

And spread. We have so many in our part of Canada. It's insane.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Let's not forget that CDU won by a very small difference to AFD. And it's not exactly like CDU is super progressive man. We are in a timeline where we are celebrating that CDU won.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

In the Netherlands most far right seats were shuffled between FVD (4 to 0) and PVV (1 to 6/7). Can't explain their final seat, but I guess it might have to do with there being more this time around? We did have a couple progressive parties gain a little (D66 +1, Volt +2), but over all right/left/far right are said to have roughly retained their size compared to last elections.

This makes PVV the second biggest list in NL, with GL/PvdA (Green/socialist left alliance) being first at 8 seats. Thing is, while GL/PvdA is collaborating in our national politics as basically one party, they're expected to join the European factions they're already a part of, separating them into 2× 4 seats. They will (and have been) collaborate and align their votes in Parliament and believe such collaboration might be the way forward on a European level as well.

Because our media loves for there to be a heated fight, this is being interpreted as a victory for both PVV and GL/PvdA depending on who you ask

[–] norimee 85 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Why is Germany included in this? The fucking brown shit nazis of the AfD had huge gains this election and became second strongest party in the country.

I feel like going around and smacking everyone who was too lazy or to uninterested to drag their ass to a voting booth and stand up against this ongoing shift to the right.

Seriously, Germany makes it super easy to vote. You are automatically registered, get an invitation in the mail, get mail ballots with 2 clicks on your cities website and there is literally a polling station for everyone in walking distance and no wait time. THERE IS NO EXCUSE!!

[–] norimee 44 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Also, please note that the German AfD is so batshit extreme, that even the other european Nazis don't want anything to do with them and kicked them out of their EU coalition.

They are under constant observation by the German Verfassungsschutz because they are dancing on the line that would make them an anti-democratic extremists group that would be banned by law.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah I think that OP need to look a little more t European politics, as half if not most of these countries have been sliding right like there is no tomorrow, literally.

[–] Phegan 14 points 2 weeks ago

They likely also think the US beat the far right because trump lost in 2020. WE DID IT! FASCISM IS OVER.

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[–] TropicalDingdong 49 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Lots of criticism for Macron calling snap elections, but I actually think that's the right move. He needs to break through the cynicism and get people to recognize the threat they really face. Waiting won't help; it just breeds complacency.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago

It's been 7 years that Macron and his minions did all they could to divide french society in order to stay in power. They criminalized the mostly peaceful ecological and social protests, they (over)used all the least democratic powers (49.3 and others) they had to push through socially unjust reforms, they have cynically and with the sole aim of winning votes, lumped together the parties of the left and the far right, and have deliberately blurred the political field. They refused to stand in the way of the far right in the last parliamentary elections, allowing a few hundred of them to become MPs and giving them prestigious positions in the parliament, simply out of political expediency. They have constantly pushed far-right themes such as security and immigration into the public debate, again simply to try and divide people and win votes. For these european elections, they snubbed all other parties other than the extreme right and even gave them more credibility (and publicity) by sending the Prime Minister to debate with their representative (and with no one from any other party). Macron, who said a few years ago that he would do everything to ensure that people no longer had any reason to vote for the far right, has been playing with fire in an attempt to divide the country and keep power. He is guilty of the current situation, and the dissolution of the assembly is not a clever or courageous move, but rather a cynical act of impotence by a lonely man who now wants to play the "it's me or chaos" game. To think that if the far right wins these next elections and a PM from their ranks is appointed, this would be an opportunity to prove how incompetent they are and destroy them, is to becompletelyy delusional. It's forgetting that this would put France in a catastrophic situation for years to come, with social and ecological ruin, and above all that its main effect would be to open the Overton window even wider, making it even more likely that the far right would soon gain to the real power with no real counterweight, the Presidency.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Is this an accurate assessment of macron’s intent or did he make a mistake and this is the cope? Because the US coped this way in 2016, and it only emboldened the masked nazi militias currently demonstrating and plotting in clear view.

[–] TropicalDingdong 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

did he make a mistake and this is the cope

No this is a 'whole loaf' move, when in US politics its always 'half a loaf or less'.

It will either succeed or it will fail. If successful, he can turn the tide on the right and get things moving in the other direction.

If it fails, well, good luck Europe.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No this is a ‘whole loaf’ move, when in US politics its always ‘half a loaf or less’.

Can you explain what you mean by this?

[–] TropicalDingdong 3 points 2 weeks ago

I mean the difference between "Half measures" and "Full measures". I think a good example of this in metaphor are the two episodes of breaking bad:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_Measures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Measure_(Breaking_Bad)

Its metaphor, but since we're talking strategy here, I'm going to use it. The basic idea is that if you don't fully commit to a strategy, your half-commitment becomes the source of why it fails to work.

Its the same in business or any other kind-of sport or competitive enterprise. Macron isn't acting in half measures. He's demanding either the full thing, or nothing at all, which I think is the right strategy. A half success gives Macron nothing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Dude please explain the whole loaf thing we need to know 🍞

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Beating the far right? Dude they are second strongest here in Germany, had massive gains and I live in fear I will see the second German fascism soon.

What the guck do you mean beating them?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

Same for the Netherlands, the only reason the far right didn't win here is because they had a lower voting percentage compared to the left

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What the fuck are you smoking?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Something with a high amount of copium (fuck, I need this stuff too)

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago

Netherlands has the most right wing government in decades

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not 100%sure on this but i believe the far right made massive gains in Greece too

[–] jose1324 11 points 2 weeks ago

I wish i was this optimistic. Half these countries are right af lol

[–] Mvlad88 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

With AUR and SOS there, Romania also didn't.

[–] Arkaelus 4 points 2 weeks ago

We really need to get our shit together and pull a Revolution again... Our political system is in need of a good slappin'...

[–] Moghul 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, this was "funny" to see. Between those and the hilarious PSD/PNL alliance, these election results are a mess.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Thankfully it's not unrecoverable. They got a few more seats, but are still a relatively fringe party.

I'm heavily considering signing up as a member of Volt Romania. They weren't big enough to be on the ballot this year, but a lot can happen in 5 years.

[–] Aceticon 7 points 2 weeks ago

The two far-right parties in Portugal, the Iniciativa Liberal (American-style ultra-neoliberals) and the Chega (Fascists) were the only parties who grew their vote and Parliamentary representation, which together now adds to almost 20%

Further, if you add them to the AD cohalition (containing the center-right party and the traditionalist conservative one) who came second just a short way from the first placed, and even if you consider the winner a leftwing party (whilst they're supposedly center-left, their politics are "slightly socially-aware neoliberal", so them being left-of-center is open to dispute), AD plus the two far right parties still adds to a victory of the Right when last time around it was the Left that was ahead.

There is no way in Hell any of this shit can be seen as a victory from the point of view of the Leftwing unless "we didn't got trashed as much as we could" is a "victory".

[–] bhamlin 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It kinda feels like they did this to themselves in France at least. If they weren't so help bent on raising the ~~requirement~~ retirement age, people might've not flipped so hard. And of course it won't get fixed and they'll have other issues, but people don't often think that far ahead...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] bhamlin 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes, thanks! My thumbs aren't as agile as they one were.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The fight isn't over yet !

[–] Buddahriffic 2 points 2 weeks ago

I hadn't been paying attention to the election results. My first reaction was a happy one at the meme. But then I read some comments and they are disputing it.

So what's the situation? How fascist is Europe now?

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