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[–] [email protected] 161 points 6 months ago (3 children)

This is what happens when a company has no diversity. Most companies dogfood their own production. Reminds me of Google's gorilla situation...

[–] Hubi 69 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

This happens even on newer Toyotas, so it's not exactly company-specific. The issue is the biased training data used for the face recognition system.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

This seems more like an excuse. All these companies aren't using the same training data.

They literally never tested this on an asian person before selling in the vehicle...

[–] Fedizen 73 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Toyota is a japanese manufacturer. Likely they localize the feature and the localized version has the problem. Its completely possible they all contract the same software vendors in the US for certification reasons, resulting in similar problems.

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[–] systemglitch 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Your claim is a Japanese company never tested on Asian people? Would you place a bet on those odds?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Toyota in the US is more American than most American car companies. The tech being different isn't that big of a stretch.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Toyota is literally Japanese

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago

Nikon is too

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That’s what I was thinking. How did this slip by? If I recall correctly, Toyota is better than average when it comes to quality control. This is Boeing-level laziness/incompetence.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Google's gorilla situation?

[–] [email protected] 135 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Classic case of OWPITTS (only white people in the training set).

[–] Death_Equity 28 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I am guessing the car wasn't made by Subaru or Nissan and is from Ford, GMC, Tesla, BMW, or Mercedes.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 months ago (3 children)

My Subaru has a driver attention feature that's constantly going off if I sit up straight because I'm too tall 🫠

[–] pyre 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

Classic case of OSPITTS (only small people in the training set).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago
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[–] ClockworkN 59 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There's an episode of American Auto where they make a self-driving car that can't see black people. It's a good show. Check it out.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Sounds like a similar episode of Better Off Ted. Also a great show that only got 2 seasons.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

It's all fun and games until the octochicken comes down from its web.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What does the system do when you wear sunglasses?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Automatically voids the warranty

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 months ago (11 children)

My car keeps screaming at me to keep my hands on the wheel, WHILE I'M FUCKING HOLDING IT.

[–] Thcdenton 20 points 6 months ago

Dude. I'm never buying a new car. That shit is insane.

[–] theangryseal 11 points 6 months ago

You black with a black steering wheel or white with a white one?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My car's lane assist deactivates if the road is too straight because I haven't moved the steering wheel in too long. The only way to get it back is to swerve a bit.

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[–] DogWater 40 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Lol just like the old Xbox Kinect failing miserably at seeing dark skinned black people correctly or at all

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[–] sudo42 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There’s a Better Off Ted episode that hilariously addressed this issue.

[–] Spur4383 17 points 6 months ago

That show should have more seasons.

[–] Thcdenton 32 points 6 months ago

Sorry asians. You know what you have to do.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

My Ford transit kept telling me to pull over to rest. It was a windy day.

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[–] shalafi 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My wife's Asian and only been driving 3-years. LMFAO, she would be a shaking crying mess if the car kept yelling at her to pay attention.

[–] Death_Equity 9 points 6 months ago

Car manufacturer tried to make a safer and more attentive driver through monitor and warning systems, accidentally causes crippling anxiety instead.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure it is possible to disable this feature?

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices 42 points 6 months ago (2 children)

company vehicle. might not be allowed to for insurance reasons. 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The fun part is, company will get a higher premium after they go through data from that car and it's "sleepy" driver.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

Sue the company for racism and creating a hostile work environment.

I’m not sure how serious I am.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You'd think they'd have learned from all the cameras that can't see black people....

This is racist as shit.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It's actually probably not racist as shit.

I'm white with larger eyes. My car tells me the same thing. Constantly.

Yes I understand that facial recognition software is usually racist as shit, but this particular situation may just be shitty software rather than racist shitty software.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

I remember this episode from Better Off Ted.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Can people see why "DEI" programs are genuinely good things yet?

[–] fishbone 7 points 6 months ago

Just in case anyone doesn't know the acronym: DEI is Diversity, equity, and inclusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

i'ld try to stick some googly eyes on a headband to wear when driving. if it does not help, its at least good for a selfie.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (5 children)
[–] toiletobserver 9 points 6 months ago

My white guy sucks

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[–] RampantParanoia2365 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There has to be a way to calibrate it, no? Something like this can't be designed without setting a baseline, and surely there's a ton of variance.

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[–] billwashere 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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