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Leading energy companies are intent on pushing the world in the opposite direction, expanding fossil fuel production and insisting that there is no alternative. It is evidence that they are motivated not by record warming, but by record profits, experts say.

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[–] [email protected] 97 points 11 months ago (9 children)

expanding fossil fuel production and insisting that there is no alternative.

No alternative? No fucking alternative? Like... We're talking about extinction level scenarios and they're like "yeah, okay, we're all going to die, but I don't think your suggested alternatives to that are viable"

Like, don't they see that their profits ultimately depend on humanity existing to consume their products? What the fuck is wrong with them? Who do they think will bail them out when the planet is too fucking hot to live on?

[–] Fredselfish 56 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They hope or think they will be dead long before that happens and fuck future generations they are sociopaths.

[–] wanderingmagus 53 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Companies like Exxon literally buy up green technology that could have huge, net-positive, impacts in the climate resiliency sphere/in combating climate change because they don't want the competition. The sheer audacity of this bald-faced fucking lie. What is the point of money on a dead planet, morons?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Why are these greener companies selling to them?

[–] FartsWithAnAccent 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well, no shit. Hadn't thought of that.

Imagine spending all the time and effort just to be bought out by a big terrible monster they have all been claiming were bad. Enjoy the clams.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Why are these greener companies selling to them?

Often because they don't have the capital to roll out their technology and need to go to the market for investment.

But then the investment market fucks them.

[–] AnUnusualRelic 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Like, don’t they see that their profits ultimately depend on humanity existing to consume their products?

Well, that's a problem for the next quarter. Right now we have to push those sales.

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[–] 99nights 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Profits now think later. Duh

[–] dimlo 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Problem is the ceos, shareholders are mostly in their 50s so they only have at most 50 years of their lives left. They don’t need to care about the future. They don’t need to care about warming , heating, burning, as they can turn on their AC and stay comfy. Also Many oil production countries are not the most morally responsible countries.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Rich don't give a rats ass about any plebs. They know humanity is doomed. They will live their "best" life possible in resorts or on yachts, etc....until end of times.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If all of the oil companies comply, all is gonna be well. If only one of them doesnt, things are gonna end up well as well. If only two dont, its probably still gonna be good. If three.....

They just all wanna be that "one company that doesnt comply", so they all dont comply.

There is a known experiment about 100 students being given a choice before a test - choose A and you gain 2 extra points. Choose B and you gain 6 extra points. However, if more than 30% of the students choose B, no one gains anything. From what i checked, in every iteration of this experiment, no one gained anything in the end. Thats just human nature.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Similarly, the Prisoner's Dilemma.

[–] Ultraviolet 4 points 11 months ago

I'd go so far as to say if the alternative is extinction, absolutely no action, no matter how drastic and no matter the collateral damage, is unjustified as long as it works.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Remember, folks, it’s only “socialism” when we talk about sharing profits among the people. Sharing blame and responsibility is perfectly okay!

[–] 99nights 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Man you couldn't of said it any better.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] 99nights 6 points 11 months ago

Yes could've. You got me.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA 57 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Cynicivity 23 points 11 months ago

I’m surprised it took this long

[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago (3 children)

“They (Oil companies) have left no doubt that their pledges were deployed for cynical political purposes, only to be ditched when they no longer suited the industry’s strategic position,”

That strategic position was to avoid being governed, said Timmons Roberts, professor of environment and sociology at Brown University.

“The climate commitments … were almost certainly made to give the impression that they don’t need to be regulated because their voluntary pledges are adequate,”

You know, I'm kinda tired of every article about oil companies being either something straight out of police reports or just being the same "No shit, Sherlock" about them being evil, lying, manipulative and greedy assholes. I'd love to see them being fined some 50 billion dollars, but I feel they'd manage to overturn that anyway. Justice and police exist to protect property.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

justice and police exist to protect the rich

Ftfy

[–] Feirdro 3 points 11 months ago

media, justice and police exist to protect the rich

FTFTFY

[–] AnUnusualRelic 4 points 11 months ago

If they were fined for fifty billions, they'd argue until they settled for two hundred millions and it would be hailed as a leap forward for justice. :-/

[–] kicksystem 3 points 11 months ago

The problem with fining industry is that industry isn't sentient. It's the C-levels and management types that need to be seriously punished for pursuing profits over human lives. As long as we don't do that, nothing is going to change. If you fine Shell 50 billion dollars, nothing substantial changes for the higher ups. Even if these guys would stop making money all together, it would just mean they would have to stop spending so much god damned money and just live of of the millions they've already made.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago

I love the movie V for Vendetta.

Just throwing that out there.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Who could’ve seen this coming! /s

[–] positiveWHAT 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if they will see me coming.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Do you come often?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] ZooGuru 5 points 11 months ago

Gooood movie.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

We knew and yet it's still so infuriating

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

Warmer climate, more AC, more need for natural gas and petroleum product powered energy production.

[–] ArchmageAzor 7 points 11 months ago

They'll never do anything good as long as they still make money. That's what needs to change.

[–] Lenins2ndCat 5 points 11 months ago

Capitalism will surely save us though.

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