this post was submitted on 25 May 2024
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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

If you legitimately felt threatened by that dog then you aren’t ready to be a police officer. Might I suggest a career in retail?

[–] EmpathicVagrant 18 points 7 months ago

If you think retail is less threatening than that dog you’ve never stared down the barrel of a Karen.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

That fat fucker sounded like he was threatened by having to get out of his chair.

I thought all the panting and wheezing was the dog at first.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'd think it was a joke that cops just show up and shoot your dog if you call them. But my best friend in highschool called the cops on his uncle when he was on drugs and became violent. First thing they did after they showed up? I shit you not, they shot his dog. It lost a leg, but thankfully didn't die.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Before reddit went to shit there was a sub called "puppycide" dedicated to all the dogs the police were killing. It was staggering the amount of new content that sub got on a regular basis. It's not just a meme. Cops shoot a lot of dogs. Like every day.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Cops kill 3-4 people per day. Dogs are at least double that.

[–] radix 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/jun/16/doj-police-shooting-family-dogs-has-become-epidemic/

The DOJ estimates that around 25 to 30 dogs are killed by cops every day, with some numbers as high as 10,000 per year. The totals could, in fact, be higher, since most police agencies do not formally track officer-involved shootings involving animals.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Holy shit! I didn't realize it was that many!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if police dogs feel anything or change their behavior if they see the police shoot other dogs in front of them?

[–] teft 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do cops change their behavior when another cop shoots someone in front of them?

[–] GeneralVincent 13 points 7 months ago

Yeah but dogs are actually capable of empathy

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Police body cam footage showed an officer chasing Teddy (pictured) around a large field and making several unsuccessful attempts to catch him before shooting the dog dead"

Whaaaaat?????!!!

[–] Linkerbaan 5 points 7 months ago

Certified Donut moment

[–] inclementimmigrant 12 points 7 months ago

Cops keep making the case for ACAB every single day.

[–] njm1314 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Hard not to blame the neighbor here. You call the cops they're going to shoot something we all know that. You don't call the cops unless you're okay with somebody dying that's the rule.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

No, folks who are not terminally online are not aware of this.

Most folks consume very little "news" outside of their local goings on.

Most folks are very unaware of national trends and current events.

Aside from racism, one of the reasons the blm protests saw so much distaste from the general public was because they didn't "see" what the problem was.

Similarly for occupy wall street.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hard not to blame the neighbor here.

Holy victim blaming, Batman!

It really fucking isn't hard to not blame them.

[–] njm1314 8 points 7 months ago

Fuck no, the victim is the dog and the dog's owner. Not the asshole neighbor.