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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

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Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

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At one point during the interrogation, the investigators even threatened to have his pet Labrador Retriever, Margosha, euthanized as a stray, and brought the dog into the room so he could say goodbye. “OK? Your dog’s now gone, forget about it,” said an investigator.

Finally, after curling up with the dog on the floor, Perez broke down and confessed. He said he had stabbed his father multiple times with a pair of scissors during an altercation in which his father hit Perez over the head with a beer bottle.

Perez’s father wasn’t dead — or even missing. Thomas Sr. was at Los Angeles International Airport waiting for a flight to see his daughter in Northern California. But police didn’t immediately tell Perez.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Disgusting.

Almost as disgusting as the fact that they'll likely keep doing this with no repercussions.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago
[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

to all the people talking about malpractice insurance here.

Please stop, like seriously, what the fuck are you blabbering on about? You're arguing that we should pay a private sector company, who's entire goal is to make money, using tax dollars, to then use those tax dollars they got (but only some of them because we make profit, remember?) and then give that money to people who win cases against insurance.

This is an objectively worse solution. The current system with lawsuits against the state is much more efficient, and has this cool little thing where we don't randomly decide to give money to a fucking insurance company of all things..

you are literally suggesting we create a state funded extortion company.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Not sure who you're listening to but no one has suggested using tax dollars for the insurance. The cops have to pay for it, if they do shit and get sued, the insurance company pays out. They like their profit, so they drop the cops that lose them money. Cops can't get a job as a cop if they can't be insured.

Lawsuits against cops punishes the community since they are the ones paying out, not the cop. And typically cops see little to no repurcussions. If there are it's just off to the next town over and get hired there. You can't fix bad behavior with no consequences.

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[–] captainlezbian 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah what we need is criminal incompetence laws for police, and they need to be consistently enforced. This was a serious crime the police committed and they need to be punished for it criminally

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (3 children)
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[–] BigBenis 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ. I'd like to think I'm aware enough to know the police lie and to not talk without a lawyer present if I were to be in a situation like that. But if they were to threaten to kill my dog then I'd very likely do whatever they asked.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

if they were to threaten to kill my dog then I’d very likely do whatever they asked

I wouldn't, just because I'd assume they'd be just as likely to kill my pet anyway even after I confessed to something I didn't do.

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[–] captainlezbian 22 points 6 months ago

Maybe the cops need euthanized

[–] Thcdenton 22 points 6 months ago

A man needs a name

[–] Dasus 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

This exact thing was done to me, sans the "we killed your dog" bit.

The Finnish authorities see nothing wrong with having a person paint a cell in their own blood. They tried charging me with vandalism for it. They denied me my prescription medication, ffs.

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[–] Zess 19 points 6 months ago

You are a fucking shitty investigator if you have to threaten to kill a man's dog to get him to talk. I'm surprised this guy still has all of his fingernails.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Just don't say anything but "I'd like a lawyer" literally every time they ask you something. Nothing but that sentence, period. They are legally obligated to get you one. Kid didn't know any better. Fucking assholes.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Gentle reminder, in many places, "I'd like a lawyer" and similar statements do not actually invoke your right to have an attorney present and have been judged too confusing by the courts to count.

Look up the actual phrase required in your area.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago
[–] Darkard 18 points 6 months ago

What a bunch of cunts.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (26 children)

Watch "Power" on Netflix and one get the gist. Society needs the police, but there are plenty of sick sadistic mofos in their ranks.

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