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Can't really have it both ways.

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[–] Thrashy 30 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Fun fact! In America, bartenders are more likely to die due to a violent incident at work than police are. Overall many trades are deadlier than policing, including fishing, forestry, and roofing.

So when we as a society decide it's acceptable for roofers to only fix the shingles they can reach from the ground and lumberjacks to only fell trees less than 15' tall, I'll give cops a pass for half-assing their jobs and treating their own personal safety as more important than that of the public they claim to serve and protect. Until then I would tell them to suck it up, put on their big boy pants, and actually try and do what we collectively pay through the nose for them to do, and deal with the kind of oversight and accountability that they have so far fought tooth and nail to avoid.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Frozengyro 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How is it so high for pilots?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The smaller the plane, the more likely it's poorly maintained and will be flying in weather they really shouldn't be in.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'd bet it counts crop duster pilots, too, who fly very close to the ground in decaying aircraft.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Plus all the helicopter pilots for remote industrial work. Have you seen the logging helicopters? There's helicopters for inspecting and servicing electrical transmission lines. Some power companies use giant dangling saws attached to a helicopter to trim trees along lines.

If you only included passenger aviation, I bet the count would be below average, with most fatalities being from medical conditions while on the job.

[–] AEsheron 1 points 5 months ago

That's true, but it definitely isn't the whole picture. A group of people trained and equipped to deal with attackers can face more of them and have fewer deaths than another group of people who are regularly around violence without the same tools for defense. That's not to defend their narrative, and I wouldn't be surprised of bartenders were under higher threat, but that stat alone is not enough to show that it is true.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

They don't always have to fire a gun. Choking people to death is just as effective. Sitting on them. Tazeing them repeatedly.

[–] UncleGrandPa 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I remember something a police trainer told me. About 15 percent of cops are evil and will always do the wrong things. 15 percent will always do the RIGHT thing. And the other 70 percent just goes along with whoever they are near

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

So 85% of cops are not to be trusted. That tracks, IMO.

[–] hperrin 8 points 5 months ago

Very very few people actually want to kill cops. But way too many cops are really paranoid. I mean, if an acorn can cause you to think you’re hit and unload two magazines at a guy in handcuffs, you shouldn’t be a cop. So here we are.

[–] KazuyaDarklight 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, if the ones out to get them are sneaky or fast enough, the cop doesn't have the chance to fire their gun. ;P

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for saying this, these days no one is brave enough to talk about the rampant rise in ninja crimes in the US.

[–] KazuyaDarklight 4 points 5 months ago

They're rampant! But we live in silent fear since no one can see them. 😔

[–] PoliticalAgitator 4 points 5 months ago

They can have both. It might not be logically consistent, but it gets them what they want.

The unfortunate reality is that many people -- especially on the right -- consider things like lying, manipulation and hypocrisy to be a trivial cost to get what they want. You can catch them at it 100 times but as long as it works, they won't even change their lie, let alone their views.

[–] Tronn4 3 points 5 months ago

Whichever excuse sound good at the time (subject to change due to police union activity)