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I'm sorry I tried.... (self.linux_gaming)
submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by thezeesystem to c/[email protected]
 

I'm disabled and no way to get anything from what I have now, which is a omen laptop from 2016 and no matter what ditro, and whatever fixes I try, I can't get Linux to work with my games through steam without a lot of problems.

When do you think Nvidia will actually be usable for gaming on a laptop?

Distro I used was Ubuntu, nobara, pop os, EndeavourOS, umm like others I can't currently remember.

Always seems to be some minor thing that just breaks things or little nuanced glitches in the desktop environment, like kde plasma just not showing specific things.

If I could get a better laptop or computer that wouldn't have these problems I would.

I'm forced to be on windows 10.

My computer is a omen laptop

https://support.hp.com/ee-en/document/c06425980

With a Nvidia 1660gt iirc

EDIT: forgot to mention my Logitech mouse that didn't seem to work besides basic mouse functionality, I need certain macros and things on it which doesn't save on the mouse it self (mouse was a gift from my mom)

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'd stick with Windows in your case. No shame in using what works. I had a laptop with hybrid Nvidia graphics and never could get it working satisfactorily with Linux.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Great point. I, too, had to wait to go full Linux until I wasn't reliant on an NVidia graphics card.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit remains unconquered.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Quoting of course from the great Dragoon Fenix.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

For he, how the humans says, can still throw down with the best of us.

[–] just_another_person 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I think the issue might be that Nvidia just doesn't support that chipset on the latest drivers. They whacked all the mobile chipsets about a year ago, so all the GeForce mobile stuff doesn't work on latest releases. You'll probably be stuck at a lesser point release for actual desktop-driving stuff, but things like Proton won't be able to work with it anymore as they advance.

This is more about the DirectX interaction with the abstraction layers though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How I prevent the driver update?

[–] just_another_person 3 points 6 months ago

Go to the Nvidia Driver Support page, put in your model, and run the binary installer version it points you to. It should handle everything for you, or output an error if your card is no longer supported.

You can also give the Nouveau driver a shot, but it can be somewhat problematic.

[–] wreckedcarzz 13 points 7 months ago

Off-topic but may I ask what is your disability? I am disabled as well after suffering a stroke that I wasn't supposed to live through, and am passively looking for others like me to game with (I mean anybody is cool but it'd be nice to have others that are in similar situations, for support and stuff). I play racing / shooters / strategy games one-handed, partially blind, with some cognitive struggles.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hate to say it but I agree with bilb, you might need to stick with windows. I tried Linux on a hybrid graphics laptop a few years ago and it was a disaster. I did get a handful of games to work but nothing that would actually push the graphics card. It was more trouble than it was worth.

I know it doesn't help you, but on desktop with AMD it’s been smooth sailing .

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How often do you use hybrid mode? Even back when I used Windows, I found I had so little use for it that I disabled it in the BIOS in order to maximize FPS.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce 1 points 7 months ago

I mostly used that laptop for non gaming stuff, and hybrid worked well in Windows. The problem in Linux was that I couldn’t get it to switch modes reliably.

It’s an old laptop though. Newer ones may work much better for all I know.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Piper is probably what you want for the mouse (and maybe solaar which handles unifying receiver/bolt connectivity.

As far as Nvidia goes though, that's likely to be the sticking point right now. Maybe at some point they will clean up their act, but I wouldn't hold my breathe so I wouldn't ask you to wait.

Windows 10 may be the better fit right now, and that's ok. Maybe Nvidia will release new drivers in a few weeks or months and you'll have more options, but for now I think Win10 may be the best fit for what you need.

Edit: Maybe see if Mint works out? https://lemmy.world/post/15653242

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The problem probably has to do with Wayland and NVIDIA not being very good together, thanks to NVIDIA. You’ll get a lot of glitches in your environment if you use them together. You can try logging in using X11 instead of Wayland, that’s what I do and it works great. I heard somebody say there’s an update coming from NVIDIA that’s supposed to fix things with Wayland, but whether it actually does is anyone’s guess.

In the future, I would go with AMD for gaming. NVIDIA has been becoming shittier the last several years, for both Windows and Linux. This laptop I have now is the last PC I’ll buy with an NVIDIA GPU.

EDIT: You should also consider disabling hybrid mode in the BIOS, even if you go back to Windows. The extra battery life probably isn’t worth the decreased performance you get while gaming.

[–] thezeesystem 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Did try x11 and had various problems with that too as well as severe performance drops in games, even ones with native Linux support.

Also did check the hybrid option in bios and various places and there isn't any options for it anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh that sucks for the hybrid option. Most hybrids allow you to turn that off, and you get a fair FPS boost for it in most games. I’m surprised the Omen doesn’t allow it.

[–] maxwellfire 1 points 7 months ago

For my hybrid laptop, I have to control it with prime-select instead of in bios. I wonder if the games were actually running on the nvidia GPU. If they weren't, you could have lots of performance problems. Did nvidia-smi say that the games were running on them?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Sadly KDE 6 broke a lot of stuff, the next Nvidia driver update 555 should fix most of those issues (it's in beta right now).

For single issues with games you should specify more so we can help.

I'm using an MMO mouse (the ones with 12 buttons on the side) myself, and sadly there is no mouse with native support for macro on Linux, but a lot of them are supported thanks to developers (see Piper for example), which mouse is it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I had bought a Thinkpad T580 with an nVidia Geforce MX 150. Not a great card by any means. But it should have been enough to run Doom 2016 at about 30 fps.

But the firmware has been super butchered and this fucking thing throttles so aggressively that it even struggles with Quake 3. It's because of some Windows-only thermal configuration that defaults to the most conservative values without OS support. The CPU side of things has since been fixed on Linux (which was throttling too much as well) and ironically that made the GPU side worse because CPU and GPU share a heatpipe.

And fucking nVidia is locked behind tons of proprietary garbage and it's impossible to change anything.

Fortunately I was eventually able to afford a Steam Deck. It's saved my bedridden disabled ass from insanity.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I had pretty good luck with Garuda on an old gaming laptop. In fact I’m pretty sure gaming wise it worked out of the box. Any tweaks I made were for other use cases.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I love garuda

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Using NVIDIA Graphics for gaming, I have had the most luck and best performance on Pop!_OS. Thanks to their easy driver-setup and Proton on Steam, I am yet to have a game not run properly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Keep trying, check protondb for the games you want to play, popos is probably the best, or garuda has support for nvidia out of the box

If nothing else just try back once or twice a year whenever you see a new release from the distro you want to use. The 1660 is a pretty common card so in general it should be well supported.

[–] thezeesystem 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah I try every like 4-6 months because of the fucking windows is garbage and I want Linux to work. I saw the most recent update to kde and apparently Nvidia which gave me a lot of hope but still have problems regardless. Probably will get cravings again for Linux in like 4-6 months then try it all over again

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I have a Helios predator with nvidia 1060 mobile. I use garuda and it works well, maybe try garuda next time if you do let me know and I can try to help if anything pops up

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Did you try Bazzite? Might perhaps be the most hands-free Linux experience out there for gaming*.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah, getting the dedicated graphics card and other peripherals on laptop to work is one step more difficult than on desktops.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Check out Windows Xlite, they have 10 and 11. Their install iso's are stripped of all Microsoft's bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Can you explain what exactly doesnt work for you: i have a laptop with nvidia graphics runnin pop-os without any problems. Maybe we view the experience differently.

The games I play (which might be different from yours) run perfectly, the DE (gnome) doesnt have glitches or crashes for me. I would really like to see what exactly you see as a glitch.

If an application dies and doesnt react because it has a bug, does that bother you? Because its the exact thing that happens on windows (not talking about the additional crap windows has on top).