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[–] haywire7 118 points 5 months ago (6 children)

AI generated content is great and all but it drowns out everything else on there. Anyone can type a prompt and generate a great looking image with a couple of attempts these days it seems.

The people spending days, weeks, months and more on a piece can't keep up.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago (4 children)

It's almost like low quality mechanisation is something that should be resisted. I wonder where I've heard that before...

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago (3 children)

You heard it from traditional artists when the camera was invented

[–] makyo 27 points 5 months ago

And photographers when Photoshop was invented

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (4 children)

And birthed impressionism as a result. These are tools, artists will adapt.

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[–] yildolw 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Every gallery in the world did not rush out to exhibit every submitted photograph with no curation or quality filter when photography was invented

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

A physical gallery has limited wall space. A website does not. Ai art should just be tagged as such, so it can be filtered

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

If youre implying that every gallery in the world is rushing to exhibit every submitted ai picture with no curation or quality filter, name 5.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago (2 children)

As the photographic industry was the refuge of every would-be painter, every painter too ill-endowed or too lazy to complete his studies, this universal infatuation bore not only the mark of a blindness, an imbecility, but had also the air of a vengeance. I do not believe, or at least I do not wish to believe, in the absolute success of such a brutish conspiracy, in which, as in all others, one finds both fools and knaves; but I am convinced that the ill-applied developments of photography, like all other purely material developments of progress, have contrib­uted much to the impoverishment of the French artistic genius, which is already so scarce. It is nonetheless obvious that this industry, by invading the territories of art, has become art’s most mor­tal enemy, and that the confusion of their several func­tions prevents any of them from being properly fulfilled.

― Charles Baudelaire, On Photography, from The Salon of 1859

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[–] TheBat 4 points 5 months ago

yOuRe GaTeKePiNg!!!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

there's some stuff image generating AI just can't do yet. it just can't understand some things. a big problem seems to be referring to the picture itself, like position or its border. another problem is combining things that usually don't belong together, like a skin of sky. those are things a human artist/designer does with ease.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

there's some stuff image generating AI just can't do yet

There's a lot.

Some of it doesn't matter for certain things. And some of it you can work around. But try creating something like a graphic novel with Stable Diffusion, and you're going to quickly run into difficulties. You probably want to display a consistent character from different angles -- that's pretty important. That's not something that a fundamentally 2D-based generative AI can do well.

On the other hand, there's also stuff that Stable Diffusion can do better than a human -- it can very quickly and effectively emulate a lot of styles, if given a sufficient corpus to look at. I spent a while reading research papers on simulating watercolors, years back. Specialized software could do a kind of so-so job. Stable Diffusion wasn't even built for that, and with a general-purpose model, also not specialized for that, it already can turn out stuff that looks rather more-impressive than those dedicated software packages.

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[–] anlumo 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It‘s even hard to impossible to generate the image of a person doing a handstand. All models assume a rightside-up person.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

think of an episode of any animated series with countless handmade backgrounds, good luck generating those with any sort of consistency or accuracy and you will be calling for an artist who can actually take instructions and iterate

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Almost 10 years old now, more relevant than ever: Humans need not apply.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I'm a bit surprised about how quickly I got tired of seeing AI content (mostly porn and non-nudes) Somehow it all just looks the same. You'd think that being AI generated would give you infinite variety but apparently not.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Deviantart died a very very long time ago. the creature currently wearing it's skin can fuck off and die for all I or any other actual artist cares.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

I hung around art station for a bit but there is no replacement for what deviantart used to be and that's a real shame.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 9 points 5 months ago

I was shocked to see this post. I honestly thought it was dead after 2015.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

All these news pieces about A.I. killing ancient company xyz ...

[–] MargotRobbie 51 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Most serious artists have switched to using ArtStation and/or Instagram a long time ago, not because of AI, but because of the weird stuff on DeviantArt.

This article also misrepresented Andersen v. Stability AI, you can read the judge's opinion here:

https://admin.bakerlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/ECF-117-Order-on-Motion-to-Dismiss.pdf

But basically, the judge's opinion was scathing and dismissed all but one of the plaintiffs' claims.

There is a very good reason you can't copyright artistic styles.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago (10 children)

Thinly veiled and successful porn site blocks porn. Everyone leaves. They killed themselves for money.

The lifers clinging to the site blame AI because the bots are the only thing keeping the lights on. All the humans left with the porn.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

My missus used to post drawings on there about 10-15 years ago.

Think all the actual art is on Twitter these days (although some have gone to Mastodon).

Just seems a bit of a niche social network when bigger ones exist with bigger audiences and more chance of people actually wanting something drawn. Even if it's mostly really weird smut.

[–] Sylvartas 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'd argue all the humans left when artstation became big. All my artists friends used to upload their (non porn) work to deviantart before artstation was popular. But banning the porn was the first nail in the coffin for sure.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I haven't head of art station till now. What's the difference from diviant art? Seems like its a censored platform as well from 30 seconds of googling.

[–] Sylvartas 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The UI looks more "slick", and it is censored, so your portfolio or whatever you want to showcase isn't displayed alongside some MLP porn or pregnant Sonic comics. Which doesn't mean there isn't tons of "artistic nudity" on the site though, last time I checked.

I'm not an artist myself but I know the artists in my industry (videogames) love to use it

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Where will I get my pregnant Sonic fix now?

[–] RampantParanoia2365 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)
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[–] coriza 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is sad that so much of technological advancement is not freeing people from labor has the opposite effect, making people fight to pay rent and necessities everyday and never having free time to live. There is so much to like in these new Ai technologies but they being wielded by capitalists to extract a little more money. I highly doubt that visual arts is a big expensive in movies and films since usually half the budget is marketing and another big chuck to secure big stars to the project.

In any case everyone already lost and the Internet is a little bit worst. Reading about this class actions I think no good will come out of it, or the draconian copyright laws will be even worst and small artists will already have lost to the prior models using their content or a "fair use" exception will be made but only for big companies AI and not help small artists and content creators that battle with DMCA abuse taking down fair use vídeos from YouTube and content from over the net anyway.

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[–] iAvicenna 30 points 5 months ago

wow I had forgotten about this website for such a long time. Like maybe 15-20 years ago it was a great resource for fantasy themed drawings and inspiration for rpg games

[–] RandomGuy79 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

There should always be a home for you degenerates to enjoy whatever category of poorly drawn unicorn porn one likes

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

That's a site I haven't heard of in a while.

[–] LucidNightmare 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Ah, man. I remember when I went to this site to get themes for windows cursor, windows themes, and even skins for some of the programs I liked at the time. They went downhill quite some time ago, maybe around 2014 or 2015, as I stopped using that site as much because of the increase in pornographic stuff that showed on the front page. It will be missed though, either way.

[–] Plopp 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Coincidentally, I remember starting using that site in 2014 or 2015.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It fell ages ago, all the artists I follow went to FurAffinity ages ago.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I didn't really move to another platform when I stopped using deviantart a few years ago, I just started sharing my work with small circles and local galleries instead.

[–] DFWSAM 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It’s obvious, generative AI could not exist without human work on which to train and rather than ask, or pay, for access to it, tech companies (and the assholes running them) feel free to appropriate it as they see fit.

Fuck them running.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

The coolest AI work these days is open source, and developed by enthusiastic communities across the world.

[–] Stern 9 points 5 months ago

Both disappointing and expected.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Welp, I had no idea about this, time to delete my gallery I have had for 20 years.

Stopped using it last year as it was just so slow.

[–] Brunbrun6766 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Is there really a point? It's likely already been scraped into the data pool

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Sure, I may be too late now, but removing real content makes their platform less valuable overall.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 8 points 5 months ago

Worse still, DeviantArt showed little desire to engage with these concerns

Well. There it tis.

[–] atrielienz 4 points 5 months ago

Angelo ran da into the ground long before this. Not gonna lie, I'm not surprised. Not even disappointed.

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