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Former President Donald Trump leads in national public polling of evangelicals, but a focus group in Iowa highlighted a few cracks in his base.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

It’s good when the idiots fight amongst themselves.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Their world view is founded in being part of a persecuted minority, they always feel under attack. Even when they're the majority. Are they scared of the Iowa Catholics and their communion wine or something again?

[–] Viking_Hippie 16 points 1 year ago
[–] betterdeadthanreddit 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ignore them, they're dying off and aren't being replenished by younger brainwashed generations quickly enough to make up for "losses". There's enough to worry about in the real world without these morons injecting their bullshit into public policy discussions.

[–] Raildrake 11 points 1 year ago

They're going to disappear, but it will never happen soon enough.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wouldn't be so complacent. There are a number of evangelicals trying to outbreed the rest of population as a protective measure and domination effort.

The "Quiverfull" movement is just one name. The Institute in Basic Life Principles is another one that has spread internationally, Generation Joshua led to the likes of Madison Cawthorn.

Shiny Happy People was a very good recent documentary on Amazon Prime about the Duggar family that is well worth watching if you can tolerate the stories of child abuse, sexual and otherwise.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those groups are pretty gross even before taking the child abuse aspects into consideration. I don't think they'll be able to bone their way out of the change in attitudes toward religion, the numbers aren't on their side (yet) and relying on future generations to stay in the movement seems like a losing proposition. Still a cause for concern though and membership should automatically put them on a watchlist with Child Protective Services or its local equivalent.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This is why they home-school with religious materials. It keeps the people inside unable to view anything that promotes a different view of the world. Once they hit adulthood, there's so many concepts that are completely foreign to them that it's easier to just go with the devil you know and stay within the tribe.

As for not breeding enough to outbreed declining religious belief, these families frequently have 10 children each. Here's a photo from one of the frequent IBLP conferences in Big Sandy, TX. There are many conferences and training camps globally for just the IBLP. They're also using their teaching materials in other schools prisons now.

They're a big and growing problem, and they believe in taking zero preventative measures against children while also requiring women to submit. You won't find them being bothered by CPS because they're also extremely politically engaged at the highest levels.

I used to think religion was declining too, but I think there will be a strong resurgence as global inequity and climate change get even more hardcore. People retreat to the perceived safety of the easy spoonfed answers these movements offer to huge scary problems.

[–] GiddyGap 9 points 1 year ago

One interesting thing is that evangelicals always say their values and faith are "under attack" and people despise them.

No, most people have great respect for people of faith and don't despise and attack Christians or any other faith group, but many despise and attack the Republican Party. And the evangelicals have unfortunately managed to tie themselves so hard to the Republican Party that the two have become almost symbiotic. There's a big difference.

[–] madcaesar 5 points 1 year ago

Religion is cancer that attacks reason.

[–] MossBear 4 points 1 year ago

I thought it was telling that one of the women interviewed said she won't vote for any Republican who is willing to work across the aisle, because to her that read as weakness. It's impossible to have a sustainable country without compromise. I only hope that demographics shift enough that we can get on with catching up to the rest of the modern world sooner than later. This relative stalemate is intolerable.

[–] Tankaus 4 points 1 year ago

What a twisted lot.

[–] Kingfisher83 2 points 1 year ago

And what would y'all evangelicals say tipped it off?

[–] xc2215x 2 points 1 year ago

Good to see from them. I was not expecting that.