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[–] [email protected] 120 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Man, I feel this. Infinite growth is an insane concept.

[–] disguy_ovahea 42 points 7 months ago

Well made second-hand > disposable Walmart/Amazon plastic

Reduce spending. Reuse second-hand wares. Recycle what no one wants.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago

Infinite growth in a finite system has a name: it’s called cancer.

[–] blanketswithsmallpox 6 points 7 months ago

Just don't mention that it's what makes the stock market go round or people lose their shit when they realize you can't retire at 65 by magically making money from hoarding it through compound interest.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"the young people"

So they've stopped calling everyone under the age of 45 millennials?

[–] Agrivar 4 points 7 months ago

Ooof, that stings. I've been thrifty and anti-consumer for years, but I'm also 50. I hate admitting I'm no longer one of "the young people."

[–] [email protected] 67 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It warms my heart to hear young folks not buy into the infinite treadmill of consumption.

[–] TubularTittyFrog 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

it comes at a social cost though.

i have lost a lot of friends because I live below my 'means'. whereas most folks I meet are 'struggling' because they are living beyond theirs.

Especially travel and restaurants. consumption is now re-branded as 'experience'.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

dude, eating good food with others and travelling really are experiences. No branding is necessary.

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[–] Leviathan 5 points 7 months ago

I'm glad my social circle pretty much revolves around people who all hate consumerism equally. We do like to travel though.

[–] Son_of_dad 64 points 7 months ago (6 children)

You know what sucks about this? How prices on used items and thrift items have gone up..

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago

Damn you Mackelmore!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah for a while going to goodwill and stuff became trendy so they pumped those prices up. I see just awful stuff priced at new or near New prices which is insane

[–] Son_of_dad 7 points 7 months ago

I went to find a used cassette player, just a little boom box. Found a crappy brand one beat up and with a $40 price tag. Gtfo with that. I can buy a brand new Sony for $50

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Oh that's so true. I have looked through all the thrift stores in my surrounding and they all had really bad clothes for bad prices. When you can get a new top in a size that fits for 5€ at H&M it makes no sense to pay 12€ for an H&M shirt that has holes in it and doesn't fit right just because it is from a thrift store.

I don't buy clothes often, I have much more than enough from when I was a teen. But I think that when I do, in the future, I'll just go straight to a normal store. I don't see the sense in spending the time and energy if it isn't worth it at all.

[–] Son_of_dad 7 points 7 months ago

There's also this thing now where "trendy" thrift stores go to regular thrift stores and pick them clean of anything worth buying, then they Jack up the price.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago

I'm GenX and my body is still ready for this. Let's fucking gooooo

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

stop making shitty stuff that will only last a couple of years we are perfectly fucking capable of it

[–] Anticorp 9 points 7 months ago

But muh profits!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

What's are some of yall's less obvious "always buy second hand" items?

Crockery, cutlery, pressure cookers and computer peripherals are some things I think it makes no sense to buy new. 2nd hand they're usually under a tenth the price and often better quality.

I've heard some arguments that buying 2nd hand cars is usually better for the climate owing to how much of a car's lifetime carbon generation is the manufacturing.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The better quality is the key here. The shit made today are intentionally made to be replaced.

Pyrex is the best example. The old-school Pyrex logo means it's made from really tough glass whereas the newer logo means it's shit and will shatter when going from hot to cold (oven to countertop).

[–] 9point6 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I wondered about this and apparently it's a bit more complicated, funnily enough since 2007 European Pyrex is the older style borosilicate glass again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrex#Composition

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Tools! With the exception of a few big power tools like a table saw or miter saw, where the new safety features make it worthwhile, I get everything I can used. I prefer stuff passed down from family with sentimental value, but I get a lot of my tools from Everything is Free, junk stores, yard sales, estate clean outs, swap shops etc.

Older tools tend to be simpler, easier to fix, and remarkably sturdy. I've read that the metallurgy wasn't as good sixty+ years ago so they overbuilt them a bit to compensate, and then decades of use weaned out the weaker ones, so anything left still working is basically survivorship-bias guaranteed. I've got a drill press that's been in the family for four generations and will probably outlast my grandkids.

They're cheaper, sturdier, easier to fix, generally well-documented online (sometimes better than the new stuff), and they don't come with sheaves of unnecessary styrofoam and plastic packaging. And they have history and stories in them, even if I don't always know what those stories are.

[–] Tikiporch 9 points 7 months ago

Adding to this, my local library has a library of things which includes a lot of tools. From niche saws to power drills everyone could use.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Got to be careful with old cutlery and kitchenwares, and test for lead.

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[–] dirtySourdough 7 points 7 months ago

Definitely most furniture (i.e., without cushions so you avoid bed bugs). New furniture is incredibly expensive and (seems to be) lower quality. Second hand furniture can still be expensive but it's usually heavily discounted, especially if someone is trying to get rid of it quickly.

Local thrift shops are a good option of course, but also try garage/yard sales, Craigslist, OfferUp, etc. If your area has estate sales you can find some pretty killer deals on good furniture there too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you actually need one (most don"t), I wouldn't buy a truck sold on the North American market since about 2005.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I feel like I could learn a lot from these people

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There's also local Buy Nothing/Everything is Free groups which may be more active depending on where you are

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (19 children)

Any book recommendations for Degrowth?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Less Is More: How Degrowth Will Save the World

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] mojo_raisin 11 points 7 months ago

Libraries are the greatest degrowth asset. We need everything libraries w/ attached repair shops.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

I build or repair for myself where I can.

[–] moonburster 9 points 7 months ago

Just bought a secondhand ssd for my secondhand steam deck. I am now the proud owner of a 512 gb steam deck for sub 300. I love buying the shiny things covered in dust by others

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Used stuff is fine and I have a 200 bucks 3D printer for when stuff breaks.

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