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Margaret Hamilton, NASA's lead developer for Apollo program, stands next to all the code she wrote by hand that took humanity to the moon in 1969

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[–] phareous 183 points 1 year ago (13 children)

She didn’t write all of that, she had a team of programmers working under her

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She was the first software engineer who was hired for the project and did write a good chunk of the code. She was more than someone who simply delegates and leads. Hell, she is the one who coined the term software engineer. She played a hell of a role in the history of software development. Let's not try to diminish that.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He isn't trying to diminish but these misleading exaggerated titles are pretty annoying and confusing at times.

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[–] Akulagr 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Similar to what happened with the first image of a black hole. The whole thing was somehow attributed to one lady in the press. Turns out, it was a whole team of scientists working together to achieve that.

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Really like her white and gold dress

[–] dopeshark 33 points 1 year ago

Oh no, not again

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Beautifully, perfectly evil... Well, played, you devious swine!

[–] Akulagr 10 points 1 year ago
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[–] Kinglink 100 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Man, I thought when we left Reddit shit was going to change?

First off, SHE didn't write all the code, she led a team (And probably wrote a decent chunk herself). It wasn't by hand it was on computers, no one writes computer code by hand, that's just blatantly a myth, even punch cards were normally done BY the computer, not "by hand".

Also something I've questioned before is if that's really "The source code" and not maybe 11 copies (There's 11 binders there) Though most reports from reputable sources say that's "Listings". AKA that's the logging, not the code itself. The code itself may be printed out but would be kept on Punch cards (Again printed by the computer, not by hand). And the final form was actually a rope. (no really)

The thing is the story of Margaret Hamilton (And in fact most programmers of the time) is incredible enough. But when you blatantly lie like this it actually diminishes her accomplishment because it's obviously false and people will tear it down or disbelieve it because it's blatant misinformation.

This is why I left Next Fucking Level, because it became misinformation and karma whoring. It became about the "Story" rather than the actual person/skill/talent/figure. But on Reddit the reason was because people wanted Karma. Shouldn't we have left the basement tier BS and lying behind as well?

[–] SilentMobius 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't know how old you are but when I was first introduced to programming in the early 80s all "source code" (Mostly basic and thus interpreted where program is the source code) was referred to as "listings" (this was when the main source of games were monthly magazines where you typed in a listing from a magazine and saved it to tape E.G.. The "Program listings" (as the Smithsonian calls them) seem to be print outs of the programs for verification purposes.

The process of entering was indeed handwritten, on specially printed sheets of paper that was then handed to a punchcard operator to create the cards (again according to the Smithsonian), But the stack of paper is clearly not those sheets as it is form-feed printer paper.

It is completely accurate that Margaret Hamilton lead a team, so while there are inaccuracies I'd say this not as much of a lie as just a combination of confused concepts,

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[–] Anarch157a 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Including comments on the code with expressions like "Crank the silly thing arround", "see if he's lying", "off to see the wizard" and a sub-routine called "burnbaby". More here: https://www.sciencealert.com/the-code-that-took-astronauts-to-the-moon-is-now-on-github

She's definitely a legend.

[–] coys25 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That is cool. There is really wild stuff in here, like in the landing guidance equations

		TC	BANKCALL	# TEMPORARY, I HOPE HOPE HOPE
		CADR	STOPRATE	# TEMPORARY, I HOPE HOPE HOPE
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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Did you know that programs for the Apollo guidance computer were woven, by hand, in to Core Rope Memory modules?

[–] ch00f 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here's a really cool demonstration of using Core Rope to make a drum synthesizer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zytjONYkU94

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[–] itsAsin 9 points 1 year ago

i thought you were making some weird joke.... turns out to be the most incredibly interesting thing i have read maybe ever.

awesome!

[–] qaz 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TIL

She invented the term "software engineering"

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[–] contextual_somebody 29 points 1 year ago

Twitter employee getting ready for a code review with Elon

[–] Iron_Lynx 22 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Imagine having to look for the missing semicolon in there.

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[–] witx 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And clickbait arrives on lemmy

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[–] lawrence 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the video of when she received the Medal of Freedom from Barack Obama: youtube.com/watch?v=X1PNp_YggAA

[–] rob_t_firefly 9 points 1 year ago

In this ceremony he gives the award to Margaret Hamilton and also Grace Hopper. Both well deserved!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wouldn't it have worked better if she wrote it into the computer? 🤔

[–] CitizenKong 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The title is a bit misleading, this is a printout of the code that she indeed wrote into the computer first.

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[–] HexesofVexes 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

She wrote code without stack overflow for her job, and the code worked as intended. That alone is worthy of respect.

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[–] Yoz 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

These people should have millions of followers instead we follow kardashians. No wonder the world is going to end😥

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

She did computer stuff..... She's smart enough to not fuck with anything that has followers.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also she's 80-something now

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[–] jerrimu 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hate to tell you, but like most people who do computer stuff still use social media. I mean the linux kernel has it's own lemmy instance.

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[–] elbarto777 22 points 1 year ago

What a weird comment. The world is not going to end anytime soon for some social media preferences.

[–] Marine_Mustang 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google did a cool tribute in 2019: g.co/Margaretbymoonlight

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[–] Marduk73 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Amazing. Punch cards are before my time but did she have to plot out the code before creating punch cards? I'm wondering about the " by hand " part of it.

[–] mick 9 points 1 year ago

I was a CS major in late 70s and used punch cards for Fortran programs. I’m guessing “by hand” meant writing the code with pencil/pen on paper and then typing up the punch cards for each line of code.

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[–] thawed_caveman 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None of you better call yourselves nerds, THIS is a nerd.

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[–] rob_t_firefly 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The "Women of NASA" Lego set includes a display of a minifig Margaret Hamilton based on this photo.

[–] jafo 10 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Also worth remembering: The Apollo guidance computer had less compute power than a USB charger. That thing sent us to the moon. https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a30916315/usb-c-charger-apollo-11-computer/

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Such a legend! Every time I see this post I'm stunned by the impact she made

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