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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago (11 children)

Starlink launches forty-ish Starlink sats every other week, Russia could deplete it's entire arsenal of missiles and, if they're lucky, cause a hole in their coverage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Starlink needs deleting too, so that would be perfect.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (10 children)

As someone who spends a lot of time in the outdoors, I have to disagree with you. I'm very excited about how this will simplify logistics, and make getting weather etc much easier.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

The skies are already polluted with Starlink satellites and there's even more coming. I agree that is does solve some situations, but it's being done for profit, not for undeveloped areas. Sticking more shit in our skies for money is really sad, I am surprised there's not more international regulations for this kind of satellite spam.

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[–] Buddahriffic 6 points 3 months ago

I've never had to do anything to get the weather. It just arrives and does its thing.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Spy satellites have always been valid targets. I don't think they're any more likely to shoot these ones down than any of the others.

[–] MrVilliam 7 points 3 months ago

For real. This seems like something that threatens musk and space x more than anybody else. The CIA effectively has unlimited money to replace whatever Russia takes down, but musk needing to pay to replace satellites to maintain starlink will hurt his bottom line. I don't think tin foil hat wearers would be all that unreasonable to make the assumption that this is a veiled threat to keep musk in line. I frequently hear the argument that "billionaires can't be bought" but I believe the exact opposite. They care more about money than morals and ethics, and can therefore be coerced by it either through hurting their bottom line or rewarding them with more of it. A dragon's hoard can never be too big for the dragon to accept more, and nothing hurts the drain more than reducing its hoard.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Musk supports Russia so what's the play here

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That CIA - SpaceX combo to make spy satellites mentioned some days back.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Huh, found that news on Google. So Musk is quite publicly doing something in secret, with the CIA and Russia. Definitely fishy

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (5 children)

There are more sats than asat missiles. The math doesn't work out. Unless they use nukes or shotgun blasts or something to make the entirety of leo unusable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

The math doesn’t work out.

You only need enough asat missiles to create enough debris. Kessler handles the rest.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hense making the entirety of leo unusable

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Eh, not for long. LEO everything falls eventually. HEO... that can take a long hot minute.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

LEO we're still talking the better part of a decade, especially the derbies that get kicked to higher altitudes by the collisions. It's not as permanent as higher up, but it's still a strategic level capability, not tactical.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The numbers I've heard for LEO are like 4-5 years. But that point is whatever.

Kessler'ing the LEO means it's now harder to retaliate in HEO. It would be an easy win for Russia to knock out Starlink if the US government is actually relying on it in any meaningful capacity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

It sounds like they are using it as a backup for their geostationary sats which would be much higher resolution and data rate. But there aren't as many of them, so they're feasible to shoot down.

[–] TheHotze 2 points 3 months ago

And also affects China and India, both nations that Russia relies on. Doubly on China who is developing their own LEO internet service.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

It's okay, Starlink is in a low enough orbit that it's basically Kessler-proof.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Can't wait to hear about space X satellites falling out of a window.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I Fucking Love the same joke for 3 years straight!!!!

[–] Land_Strider 3 points 3 months ago

Only 3? I thought we were closing on a decade with this joke now.

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[–] nexusband 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

On one hand, I really, really want those idiots in the Kremel to cause a Kessler Syndrome...(In theory it could also prevent ballistic missiles)

On the other hand, that would be quite bad for the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Starlink birds fly too low for that, they will deorbit in 4-8 years if they go dead.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'd be worried about debris flung into steeply elliptical orbits, though. It wouldn't take much to do some real damage to sats in higher orbits and once the cascade starts there's not much we can do but wait decades for the worst of it to fall into the atmosphere.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Those steeply elliptical orbits would probably deorbit even quicker since a random impulse that boosts the apogee is likely to lower the perigee even more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Kessler syndrome is only a threat to satellites that are orbiting within the debris, it's not really a danger if you're only passing through (as a ballistic missile would).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

So...Goldeneye part 2?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Blast Lonnie's bullshit out of the sky and see if I care.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago
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