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submitted 8 months ago by Stamets to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Hey ... I'm a big brown long haired red skinned Indigenous person ... you can see me coming from a mile away.

I've had people scream, yell, say, suggest, comment, off the cuff, passive-aggressively, overtly, covertly, obviously, secretly and blatantly be racist to me behind my back and to my face many many times ... more often passively but a few times openly and blatantly. I've had some pretty ugly things said to me either directly or indirectly because of the colour of my skin and what I look like.

I think some old white guy with a good station in life can handle being called a 'boomer' online.

[–] Stamets 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

For fucking real. It's kind of hilarious how quickly they started crying the second that a single 'slur' was made against them lol

[–] Duamerthrax 9 points 8 months ago

Same with "Karen", which is only ever applied to behaviors.

[+] Jarix -16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How is this helpful? Either using slurs is wrong or its not. Take a guess what happens when you give the majority a reason to dismiss your objections to their behaviour.

You are making it more difficult to fix the problems that exist because these 2 comments only tell bad actors that they dont want equality they want superiority. Why would a group that has privilege give up that privilege just to be treated as badly as they treat others?

Sure its ducking rediculous that this is the thing that gets a reaction, and not the endless horrors that have been done to people over history, but as long as we are willing to say, "fuck YOUR problems because you have the wrong colour of skin" you arent going to fix a damn thing, merely exchange one wrong position with another.

[–] Stamets 16 points 8 months ago

Your entire comment hinges on a single false assumption. That boomer is a slur. It isn't.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Exactly!

Man, these snowflakes and their checks notes avocado toast (Jim, is that still relevant? Okay, whatever.) are just full of themselves and don't understand how hurtful it is for the generation that fucked around and left others to find out to hear a word. A word! (Seriously, who wrote this?) So, lets all be a bit kinder to the elders and stop calling people out on their bullshit. (Ok, a boomer had to write this copy. I quit.)

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Born and raised in America. But Im brown skin.

Not a year goes by where someone doesn't say some racist shit to me like "go back to where you came from". And yet here I am.

Boomers offended by being called a boomer? What snowflakes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

The go "back to where you came from" argument is very stupid considering they came from Britain

[–] metostopholes 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I was curious, so I looked up this article. It's satire, but it's making fun of a tweet with the same sentiment.

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/if-you-call-me-a-boomer-you-are-committing-a-hate-crime

[–] DBT 16 points 8 months ago

Being hip and flip does not make bigotry ok

This made me laugh. I wonder how many “OK boomer” replies there were to that tweet.

[–] KoalaUnknown 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The (now deleted) tweet for those curious:

"Boomer is the n-word of ageism. Being hip and flip does not make bigotry ok, nor is a derisive epithet acceptable because it is new.” - Bob Lonsberry

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Reminder that, in the US, ageism is only illegal discrimination if it's directed at someone 40 or older.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's only if you refuse to hire them or you pay them less

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You can call people whatever you want because of the 1st Amendment. Denying them entry to businesses, refusing to hire them, etc. is illegal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

You said it better

[–] Clent 23 points 8 months ago

Ok, boomer.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Boomer is a state of mind

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

And the state is most likely Florida

[–] FMT99 13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I mean "hate crime", I don't know, but it is ageism. Not to mention this whole boomer vs millennial thing is such an obvious ploy by the corporate media to throw up another distracting infight to prevent us from fighting the real enemy, billionaires CEOs.

I don't know about you but I have no special hate in my heart for my parents. Yeah their generation messed some things up but trust me our kids will find things to blame us for 20-30 years from now.

[–] krashmo 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I can't speak for others but the reason I've used boomer as a slur, if you can even call it that, in the past is because they don't see the fight you mentioned as necessary. You can't be allies with someone who doesn't think there's a problem to be fixed. It would be one thing if we were fighting the same battle in different ways but that's not what's happening. They're actively helping the other side win.

[–] FMT99 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And this is why it's, in my opinion, correct to call it a slur. When you refer to a certain part of the population, in the context of calling them the enemy, not based on their beliefs or actions but their age, that sounds questionable. Just as it would be if you said the same thing about a racial group, a sexual preference, a religious group, etc.

[–] krashmo 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I would take issue with you saying the word only refers to a specific age group. In my experience it is describing people with a specific set of beliefs about the world. It just so happens the most common factor in whether or not you have those beliefs is how old you are. Not all boomers are "boomers" just as not all Gen Z are progressive or whatever else the stereotype is, but in order to talk about large groups of people you have to make generalized statements. We're talking about trends not absolute definitions.

[–] FMT99 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This feels a lot like saying "when I say the n-word I don't mean all black people, just the bad ones" (and yes that word is of course a different level of bad but the principle is the same)

You can make those arguments without the blatant generalization and denigrating language.

[–] krashmo 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Language is like that. You can read into it what you want to in many cases. If you don't want to accept what I'm telling you I mean when I say something then that's fine. Just know at that point you're giving more weight to your own assumptions than you are to what the speaker intended to convey and that's the opposite of how listening is supposed to work.

[–] FMT99 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Language is like that, careless use makes your point unclear and may lead people to think you're a bigot when that's not your intention. You can blame others for not understanding your inner thinking when you're make sweeping generalizations but in the end it's not their responsibility to dig into your psyche.

[–] krashmo 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's not careless use you're just trying to be the gatekeeper of which uses are acceptable and which aren't. Your interpretation isn't automatically right just because it's yours.

Besides, you're trying to cast boomers as some marginalized group of people when they're the wealthiest generation in the richest nation in the history of the world. That's objectively a dumb position to take.

In summary, and in the clearest language I can muster, there is no award for being offended on behalf of the most people so quit being such a whiny little bitch about everything.

[–] FMT99 0 points 8 months ago

I don't think you understand that words have a meaning, defined in a dictionary. You can just decide that your kind of discriminatory language somehow doesn't count and we should all just magically know what you really mean, but that also echoes the typical defenses that racists and gender bigots use.

Bigotry on the basis of race, religion, gender and yes even age is wrong no matter how you try to defend it.

[–] Agrivar 0 points 8 months ago

Hear hear!

[–] doublejay1999 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Rare attitude. Americans in particular seem to be obsessed with gen wars.

The tragic irony of people saying “the boomers had it all, they don’t know how hard we got it” is that they already becoming the old person that says “back in my day….” And they don’t see it.

[–] FMT99 8 points 8 months ago

I really get the idea it's fueled by the media over there. You see so many American articles about heartless boomers and lazy millennials. Whether it's just rage bait to sell ads or something more, I don't know.

[–] whotookkarl 1 points 8 months ago

Contemporary generational labels have arbitrary boundaries and their members would be just as arbitrary. Generational labels applied in an historic context are able to categorize in more meaningful ways around specific events or beliefs that the generation demonstrated. Without that demonstration its the new astrology.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Why is a gen x'er worried about being called a boomer?

To clarify, here is what 80% of boomers look like today: 🪦

🦴🦴💀🦴🦴

[–] Frozengyro 8 points 8 months ago

I mean they are roughly 60-78 years old, so not really dead. The vast majority are still alive and well.

[–] AngryCommieKender 2 points 8 months ago

It's that remaining 15% that are just being spiteful at this point

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Too bad, we know you're a Cylon!!!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Boomers be boomering

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"Ernie prepares to commit hate crime"