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more questions about the MacBook Pro, Core i5, 2.8 GHz (I5-4308U), model A1502 (EMC 2875), a model where I cannot disconnect the battery, because the whole case is closed, a model Im going to use to experiment with mac and create a partition to install a linux distro alongside the mac os.

My favorite notebook is a one that lets me take the battery off if I don't need it. This way I've been able to need just one battery in the last 8 years. Regarding the mac, I'm going to need a new battery (it lasts 5 hours the most) and don't want to waste charging cycles.

My question is twofold:

  • Is there any linux program that lets me manage the battery so I can choose to rely solely on outlet power, even if I cannot physically remove the battery?

  • the same question for mac.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

For under Linux I found this, and for under macOS I found this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

I’m a MacBook user and I’ve been very happy with AlDente. It took some reading to understand all the features but I really believe it’s made a difference in the health of my battery.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Thanks for sharing. Now I know why my battery never charges over 80% unless I force it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

When connected to the outlet it will be running solely on outlet power just by default, you don't need to do anything specific.

Edit: Now that I re-read this OP, it sounds more like you want to stop the battery from charging when connected to AC.

[–] SchmidtGenetics 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That’s… not true.

It will still run through the converters and boards inside the laptop since it runs on DC and the power from the outlet is AC. Depending on how it’s setup, the current very well could go through the battery instead of bypassing it before it reaches the laptop from the converters.

Basically you don’t know unless you try. Some laptops work when you remove the battery and some don’t. Just like phones or any other electronic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Current can't go through a battery, only in or out.

When connected to AC it will be running off AC, and also charging the battery.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's not entirely true. A battery can definitely be part of a running circuit and current definitely goes through it, otherwise it wouldn't be usable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It can be part of a circuit, but charge either goes in or comes out, it can't do both at the same time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I'm sorry but you're mixing concepts. Electrical charge: measured in Coulombs, physicaly either electrons or gaps. Current: movement of electrical charge. Battery charge: chemical capacity to generate a voltage differential. Voltage differential: the potential energy difference that pushes charges through a circuit.

Electrical charges need to move through a battery for it to do useful work. If the battery is causing the movement (current), it is depleting its chemical charge. If the battery is not pushing the electrons, it's likely being chemically charged (the complexities of which are beyond a lemmy comment). In both cases, the battery is part of the circuit that is conducting electrical charge. If there are no parallel paths and you remove the battery, the circuit ceases to exist and so does the current.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's also going to charge the battery.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Some laptops allow for controlling level kf charge. For example I keep my battery at 65% to prolong its life. If its supported, you should be able to set it through /sys/class/power_supply/bat0/charge_level

~~i dont rember file name and path exactly but shouldnlook like this~~

Edit: Correct filename is /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_control_end_threshold

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I do the same. My laptop had a weird bug where it would reset that value to 100 every reboot, so I made a systemd service to write it at every boot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

my laptop does reset it every reboot.

If you are using KDE, you can just use KDE's battery manager to set it there.

otherwise, your solution is good too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Even in KDEs battery manager, I was having the same issue.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Correct, but the laptop will be running off AC.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

But the concern is about the battery, so that's kinda moot.

[–] gaiussabinus 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You are not wasting charge cycles by leaving the battery plugged in. it is not being held at optimal charge for storage but it will last a lot longer plugged in.

It would be the worlds stupidest engineer that would design a power circuit attached to a potential class d fire hazard that had access from anything other that possibly contact pads on the controller itself. If i were a bad actor and the os has a way to access the charging circuit i would firebomb your house by telling the controller the battery is empty and have it over charge. This would be bad.

Note: I see that apple may have done the dumb and i am facepalming

[–] Zak 1 points 8 months ago

There are a number of commands an operating system can safely give to the charge controller. Examples include:

  • Run the device from external power; do not charge the battery
  • Limit/taper charge to X percent/voltage (assuming X is under the maximum)
  • Limit the charge rate to (something under the maximum)

Lower-level control could potentially allow extremely dangerous operations like unbalancing the cells or overcharging the battery, which would be bad.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

The bottom is quite easy to take off, just some screws around the perimeter and you’re in. You can unplug the battery pretty easily but it’s harder to remove as it’s glued down. Also I’m pretty sure MacBooks severely underclock the processor if there’s no battery so your performance may suffer. Been through the same thing with my 2013 MacBook Pro. It’s a Linux mint server now.

I’m not 100% sure but which power source you are using, and whether or not the battery seems more like a BIOS or SMC thing, so I’m not sure if even Linux would be able to access it. I could also be totally wrong

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

If you use Gnome, this is what I use: https://maniacx.github.io/Battery-Health-Charging/ You find it also in the extensions. It is really great.

[–] SpeedLimit55 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The case may be closed but you could open it and disconnect the battery. That model is a pain to replace the battery but easy to open and disconnect. Not sure if this would cause any issues if plugged in or if the machine would boot.

[–] s38b35M5 1 points 8 months ago

I think tlp-ui can do this, but only on specific devices. IIRC, you set the charging thresholds in such a way that the battery will not charge. For example, configure to prevent charging until below 40% and as long as the battery is above that threshold, no charging should take place.

However, this likely means that as soon as your device goes to sleep or powers off, the battery begins charging again.

[–] zenharbinger 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I would assume that's something in the bios settings if it exists. But I could be wrong.

Maybe this: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=371122

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

The usual way is to disconnect the battery, hold the power button down and plug the adapter in before you release it. On the older ones the fans spin up really loud.

That battery isn’t going to get you a bunch of charging cycles, but especially for something made in the last decade, lithium ion batteries will do fine when you leave em plugged in. The computers charge controller is pretty decent and won’t let you overcharge or otherwise damage the battery.