Night owl here. Definitely feel targeted by the expectation to get up super early in the morning.
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How did the morning people get control to set the schedule anyways? I say we night owls seize that control in the night while they slumber so we can set things to a more reasonable schedule!
Something something a farmers crop yield or something
They woke up first and start making noise.
Sunlight favors them.
Farmers have to get up at dawn to tend the fields, and since essentially everyone was a farmer in the past, getting up in the morning became the norm and simply stayed the norm long after most people were no longer farmers.
But then they'll wake up before us and change everything back
Time Delay Safe that only opens after 10 PM Muahahaha
Yes! Let us rise up! After this nap...
This comment reminded me of the "night people" rick&morty episode 😂
Find a remote job with a time zone a few hours behind you. My work doesn't start until 10am my time, and it's glorious.
I took the opposite of your advice and now I am waking up at 530am. Can we please change the direction of the rotation of the earth?
Just think, you could start work at 2am!
I drove to work with my seat belt off hoping a drunk driver would hit me. I don't recommend graveyard shifts.
As "targeted" as a global nuclear attack.
Question, is anyone really a night owl or morning person, or is it just that we builded habits that our body fully integrated?
Yes, people that are very active at the morning exist.
Both. In my case for example, I have a condition called delayed sleep phase syndrome, which causes me, on average, to not even feel tired until well after midnight, and actual sleep will alude me until after 3am. This is regardless of what time I wake up btw, I could fall asleep at 3am and wake up at 5am or 2pm and I'd still be wide awake after midnight the following night.
On the other hand, I know quite a few people who can adapt their sleep schedules fairly quickly to switch from a morning person to a night owl or vice versa.
Interesting, i think my question popped up because i never really felt the effect of my environment on my circadian cycle.
So i wasn't to much aware that people feel tired or the need to wake up at specific times of the day. I'm someone that can adapt like you said.
For me the only thing that i felt had an impact was if a specific hour is a habit. Then you feel way better sticking to it.
(That and of course the amount of sleep)
Hot take: as a true natural morning person, society is hostile to us too. I wake up early without wanting to and have a productive window from about 6:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. That means that by the time I get to work, I've pretty much used up my energy for the day and am starting to feel tired, and it's a long slide down to exhaustion by late afternoon. The most productive I've ever been was a period where I was able to go to my job at 6:30 a.m. and had a few hours to work uninterrupted and then mostly coast the rest of the day before leaving around 3:00-3:30 p.m.
My girlfriend is a night owl, and sure, she struggles to get going through the morning, but by the end of the day, she typically has a surge of energy and is able to get some work done and then enjoy the evening, while I turn into a full zombie. Beyond work, try getting a group of your friends to hang out at 8:00 a.m. Pretty much all social events take place in the evening and night, when us morning people are fighting off sleep and struggling to stay invested.
Sorry for the rant, but the assumption that society is built around morning people has bothered me for a while. It's really intended for "day people." What we really need is truly flexible working hours that can be adapted for everyone's natural schedule.
Thanks for your rant. As a night owl I've only ever thought of things from my own perspective. It's really nice to learn from the other side, even if I'd never agree to an 8 AM hangout
I’m a morning guy. My buddy is a night guy. We often have 8AM hangs after he’s done work if I’m not working. We can bridge the worlds!
The best jobs I've had are ones with flexible schedules where morning people can start at 6 or 7 and leave in the early afternoon, while night owls can start around 11 or so and work a bit later. Everyone seems so much happier and gets along better because of it.
I know not every job can be organized that way. But it really bugs me when I'm working a job and it literally doesn't matter when the work gets done, but the schedule is still extremely rigid.
its nice. only downside is catching some people with schedules that are absolutely out of the way, your 11 example would be seen as extreme. but thats a minor inconvenience
i guess the best of both worlds is a mix. a short timerange where everyone needs to be available most of the time and the rest freely chosen. 9-11 is reasonable to demand of everybody, fuck them 11 starters ;-) they take one for the team
I once got my small group of former uni mates to get together at 07:00 to catch up before work. It was a magical feeling that I was even able to ask, and we could do it without much issue.
We ended up chatting with two Irish dudes who were just coming off an all-nighter, celebrating some business deal.
I love early morning catch-ups
Are you a morning person because you've just always had that routine? I'm not a morning person, but pretty sure it's because society is designed to keep me awake until late at night and I've just fallen into that cycle. But I'm curious how other people resist it.
You might want to check out:
Delayed sleep phase disorder (DSPD), more often known as delayed sleep phase syndrome and also as delayed sleep–wake phase disorder, is the delaying of a person's circadian rhythm (biological clock) compared to those of societal norms.
Early Birds vs. Night Owls is a real thing, has a genetic component, and makes sense from a historical societal perspective. The disconnect in optimum sleep schedule vs. societal expectations can result in what researchers call "social jet lag" because it's like constantly living in a different time zone.
That video makes me wonder if there's a correlation between being a night owl and having ADHD.
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I'm not an early bird or a night owl. I'm some sort of permanently exhausted pigeon.
I can manage waking up at 4 am, or 2 pm. I can't do anything in between without a lot of misery.
Ha, this is me. It's not fun, but i have no problems being out the house at 4:50 to get to work on time. But good luck getting me out of bed before 10:00 on my days off.
For me, it is from 15 years working 2nd shift. It doesn't go away easily.
We had a whole community of DSPD members on Reddit, but it wasn't big so there's not one on Fediverse yet I think.
Anyway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder
Delayed sleep phase disorder (DSPD), more often known as delayed sleep phase syndrome and also as delayed sleep–wake phase disorder, is the delaying of a person's circadian rhythm (biological clock) compared to those of societal norms.
Bro. This shit drives me up the wall. Everyone harps about how you just need to go to sleep earlier and it will fix the schedule.
So I suffer a few nights where I'm waiting several hours to fall asleep, acquire a night's worth of sleep debt, and THEN my body is so sleep deprived it can finally fall asleep earlier.
Of course they don't give a fuck about me being perpetually tired, unfocused and a danger to everyone on the road. They're just happy to see me finally sleeping "properly". Idiots.
Yeah that's annoying as fuck.
I drove a taxi and I've never managed the "normal" sleep schedule, even when I was in the army (got myself a flexible position so I could sleep in on mornings).
I tried doing a regular shift for a month, a bit more. I went bonkers.
I did not want to drive tired. Especially when taking kids to school. Nope. I can maybe risk my own life, but not that of others.
Even sought help to the issue desperately. Nothing. I've been trying to get sleep studies ever since. Well, much before then, but very actively since 2016.
The sleep studies clinic essentially just blocks the referral from my doctors and say "no just give him Seroquel" despite me having said for many years I refuse to take it anymore due to the side effects it gives.
People just flat out refuse to believe it's anything else than laziness. Even the literal "experts".
IMO, the fix isn't a pill or treatment. The fix is for society to learn to be okay with people who need to live on a different schedule. I am hopeful that the work-from-home evolution will bring about different attitudes. In job interviews, I offer to work a west-coast schedule, which would match my needs quite nicely. Too bad schools feel the need to start at zero dark thirty, or I'd be on my way to somnial bliss.
IMO, the fix isn't a pill or treatment. The fix is for society to learn to be okay with people who need to live on a different schedule.
Well, duh.
So fking annoying :FF
There's dozens of us.
The animals have to go outside to pee and SOMEONE has to get out of bed to enable it ...
I'm at my best in the mornings although I need at least 8 hours to be functional
The time I wake up is irrelevant. If I get 6 hours, I'm good
My functioning times are from about 10 am to 3 pm and again from 6 pm to about midnight... What does that make me?
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Definately. I long and often tried to stand up early, but i can't make that work. 12:00 is the best. No matter how long i sleep or try to adapt, I'm a nightowl. Imagining having to wake up at 6 or so...omg. I can't. How can people function in the morning?
Me, an early bird: If I could work 6-2 I'd be soooo happy.
Got to experience this several years back covering someone else's shift. It was awesome.