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This test was run by a company named MDT Sporting Goods. They recorded their test and it'll be linked at the end of the post.

The company’s engineers built a bolt action rifle with a six-foot long barrel to see what effect barrel length has on the projectile’s velocity for a given cartridge (.308 Win...) by gradually cutting the barrel down. Who makes six-foot long barrel blanks? Nobody, the barrel of this experimental rifle was made by screwing together two barrels! MDT claim that with an overall length of 88 inches, their project gun is the world’s longest rifle.

If you couldn’t watch the video, the chart below shows how the experiment went. The MDT engineers used Federal Gold Medal Match ammunition loaded with 175grain Sierra MatchKing bullets that have an advertised muzzle velocity of 2600fps from a 24″ barrel. Contrary to what many people would predict, the 6-foot long barrel did not slow down the projectile because of the friction – the muzzle velocity was 2785fps. In the first 20 inches of cutting the barrel, there was not much velocity drop – only 20fps per 10 inches. At around 30″ to 34″, every inch cut off of the barrel resulted in about 15fps of velocity drop. They cut the barrel all the way down to 19″ at which point the muzzle velocity was 2567fps.

I think the main image has some solid meme potential

Testing video: [7:47] https://youtu.be/XCqa2umL8ME?si=

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[–] ChihuahuaOfDoom 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] meco03211 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

For this type of ammo. Different ammo could have different results.

[–] ChihuahuaOfDoom 6 points 11 months ago

I'm assuming I could get similar results from my .30 gibbs but I'd have to do more research.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001 2 points 10 months ago

I mean conceptually it makes sense regardless of cartridge size.

The longer barrel allows for the gas pressure to put more energy into the projectile. The only reason cartridge size would matter is determining the exact length for maximum energy transfer before the projectile starts losing energy through momentum.

Think of it like pushing a cart to a specific point with only one push. There's gonna be a sweet spot of force applied depending on the size of the cart.

[–] deus 34 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 11 points 11 months ago

Barrett's been having trouble walking through doorways with his latest arm

[–] Quetzalcutlass 3 points 11 months ago

Monster Hunter was on to something with its Gunlances.

[–] dual_sport_dork 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's interesting to see that the usual "wisdom" of too long of a barrel reducing FPS has been debunked at least for this caliber. But I will say that hacking about 10" off of my Mosin's barrel closed up its group size significantly. I think because the tip of the barrel would flex and waver around like a radio antenna every time you fired it.

There's probably some very fancy math behind the flex and resonance in a steel barrel and I'm quite certain that whatever it is, I don't know it. But I was satisified with my redneck result.

[–] FireTower 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When barrels get worn out they do so at the muzzle and breech ends first. Or if the crown of your barrel was damaged that also could have lead to poor grouping.

If either of those were the case removing some of your barrel should've given you better groups. That's not to say barrel harmonics aren't real though.

[–] dual_sport_dork 10 points 11 months ago

Pretty much everyone who has Bubba'd a Mosin reports that lopping off some barrel improved it. You can visibly flex the tip of the barrel on a stock one with your bare hands, and without much effort. It's certainly possible the crown was fucked up too, though. Insofar as I'm aware my example was never fired before I got it other than possibly its original proofing.

I liked having a rifle that's less than 5 feet long, too. It made lugging it around much easier. I think most people have very little use case for bayoneting anyone, so I was not too broken up to see the mount for that go. The $40 scout scope I put on the thing was far better than the factory iron sights ever were or could have been. There were just positives all around.

Yes, I put it in an Archangel stock worth 4 times more than the gun. Why do you ask?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

This weapon just really specifically feels like it would show up in a bossfight from the Metal Gear series.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Makes every shot a point blank shot

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Makes sense, modern powder is way more powerful than black powder, so barrel length would likely increase velocity until the length isn't practical for a rifle.

[–] RestrictedAccount 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Any effect on accuracy? (I didn’t read it)

[–] FireTower 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Precision is more so achieved with tight tolerances rather than barrel length. Theoretically you could have a barrel too short to even stabilize a bullet but other than that length isn't tied to precision.

Perhaps when you include human or ergonomic factors a long barrel could be better utilized for accuracy than a short one. But if you had two otherwise identical rifles held in a vise with different barrel lengths you shouldn't see any appreciable difference.

Also I don't think precision was a factor they were concerned with for the purposes of their test.

TLDR: Short barrels being less accurate is a video game balancing thing.

Video on the topic:

https://youtu.be/cWXqtKT4JNU?si=

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Stern 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] dual_sport_dork 9 points 11 months ago

And if you need a sidearm to go with it, just grab one of these.