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[–] [email protected] 53 points 9 months ago

Considering Netenyahu basically said "lol, we're going to keep taking over more of Gaza even if there's a ceasefire" I can't imagine what would make the other side wary...

[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean yes they've been very clear about that. If Biden wants Hamas to give up all their leverage he needs to bring to the table something that doesn't mean Israel can just continue to genocide Gazans in two months.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago

Especially since, without a permanent ceasefire, this is just an exchange of hostages. And Israel can very easily just continue to grab Palestinians off the street, proclaim them to be 'Hamas' and hold them indefinitely, giving them an infinite supply of hostages to hold over Hamas.

[–] SinningStromgald 39 points 9 months ago

The ceasefire was total bullshit from the beginning. If the US really wanted a ceasefire there have been resolutions for it that they could have not veto'd in the UN.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Another Hamas official, Ahmad Abdelhadi, said that the group was sticking to its demand that Israel agree to a long-term cease-fire and that leaks about the talks were designed to pressure Hamas to soften its position.

“We are not interested in engaging with what’s been floated, because it does not fulfill our demands,” Mr. Abdelhadi said Tuesday in a televised interview with al-Mayadeen, a Lebanese broadcaster.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Biden next week: We’re close to reaching a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia by Thursday. Ukraine will give up all its claims to its lands held by Russia and Russia pinky promises not to attack for 3 weeks.

[–] Linkerbaan 11 points 9 months ago

This perfectly describes how insanely stupid israel's deal is. But people don't want to hear that.

[–] Linkerbaan 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Hamas rejects nothing.

They have laid a deal on the table which would lead to a permanent ceasefire

Israel is the party rejecting the deal. Israel wants to ethnically cleanse and annex Gaza

[–] maness300 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Hamas already proposed a deal for a permanent ceasefire. Israelies are the ones not agreeing to it.

It doesn't make sense for Hamas to give up prisoners in exchange for a 'temporary' ceasefire. All that's going to happen is a massacre when the ceasefire expires and Hamas won't have the leverage they have now.

This is straight out of the Republican playbook of proposing bullshit they know will never be agreed upon just to paint the opposition as unagreeable.

Fuck Zionists and fuck their supporters. They're the same as Nazis.

[–] Keeponstalin 9 points 9 months ago

Yet it's always framed as Hamas rejects (temporary) ceasefire and never highlighted how it's Israel rejecting any permanent ceasefire. As if only considering a full ceasefire instead of a temporary pause to the unending bombing and starvation campaign is unreasonable.

[–] rdri 1 points 9 months ago

What was their deal though?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Hamas officials said on Tuesday that there had been no breakthrough in the mediated talks with Israel aimed at pausing the war and freeing the remaining hostages in the Gaza Strip, one day after President Biden said he was hopeful that a cease-fire would be in place by next week.

Basem Naim, a Hamas spokesman, said in a text message that the militant group had yet to formally receive “any new proposals” since senior Israeli officials met with Qatari, Egyptian and U.S. mediators in Paris last week to advance a possible deal.

As the Muslim holy month of Ramadan begins in less than two weeks, and as the death toll in Gaza approaches 30,000, global pressure has been mounting on Israel to agree to a deal to stop the war, at least temporarily.

Those pressures have led Israel to make significant concessions in the negotiations, two officials said, including an offer to release 15 Palestinians jailed on serious terrorism charges in exchange for five female Israeli soldiers being held in Gaza.

At a news conference in Washington on Tuesday, Matthew Miller, a State Department spokesman, said that negotiators “made significant progress” last week and were continuing to push for an agreement between Israel and Hamas.

With no accord in place, the Palestine Red Crescent Society said it had suspended emergency medical missions for two days in a part of Gaza where Israeli forces on Sunday intercepted a convoy evacuating patients from a hospital, interrogating and detaining workers on the suspicion that they were ferrying Hamas fighters.


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