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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's the same thing with the flat earthers for me, it's hard to comprehend that these dipshits can be this dumb.

[–] Treczoks 19 points 11 months ago

Listen up, IRS, that idiot admitted tax fraud.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is the passport they buy:

[–] random9 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That "50 state conceal carry" is frightening. These nutjobs should be the last people to own guns -- especially if they believe they have diplomatic immunity.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 14 points 11 months ago

And sovereign citizens have killed cops before so you have good reason to worry: https://abcnews.go.com/WN/deadly-arkansas-shooting-sovereign-citizens-jerry-kane-joseph/story?id=11065285

[–] random9 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can someone explain to me what this #-star passport shit is, or have a link to somewhere that explains it? I just started reading this sub, found quite a few posts that mention it. To me it sounds like the kind of scam where the more money (real money, not their fake iou money) you pay, the more stars you can get - but I want to know wtf it comes from.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A lot of what they believe is not clear on its origin, but they believe the more stars on your passport the closer you have to diplomatic immunity so they think you can't be pulled over or arrested. Stars on passports are meaningless in the US. They buy 'American State National" passports from a website that also sells moonshine equipment for a hefty fee.

[–] random9 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I have no doubt that these fake passports are legally completely useless, and their made up shit means nothing to the real world legal system - I just want to understand if they are paying more for more stars. I have dual nationality, passports from 2 countries, and I've never heard stars on passport even be a concept in the US or anywhere in the EU.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 9 points 11 months ago

Dr Sarteschi is an academic expert on sovcits, here is her tweet:

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

I wonder if it has anything to do with the RealID thing, which puts a star on your drivers license after you verify some info.

It’s used for domestic flying but not strictly required until 2025. Still a very common thing for people to get when they are renewing - the act for it was passed in 2005 and when I went to get an address change around 2013 it was offered to me but I didn’t have proof of address and had a valid passport so declined.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't know where this right "to travel" (in a car, etc.) originates. If they get some freedoms and movement rights provided by the United States, then it would follow that any time you step out of your property you would be subject to United States' rules in exchange of the provided freedoms.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

From an article about sovcits in Car and Driver magazine:

"The website FreedomFromGovernment.org offers a sovereign-friendly explanation of the asserted right to travel that runs some 30,000 words long, including citations. Multiple attempts to contact Trent Goodbaudy, a writer who apparently runs the site, were unsuccessful. But the online store linked to the site sells a set of replacement license-plate tags proclaiming that the vehicle is private, traveling without commercial purpose, and not subject to insurance or licensing requirements. They cost C/D$39.95. No one in the office has volunteered to mount them to their vehicle."

So basically it's a crazy sovcit idea. It's honestly very hard to tell where some of their ideas come from because they're such a loosely associated group, and honestly I've discovered that if I give them some bogus advice repeatedly (I tell them they must use a certain kind of stamp) they believe it and it begins popping up in posts of their own accord. They truly are a game of telephone.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's some fine trolling.

Idk some of these rules and incantations give me Lines and Squares vibes. You know how when you're a kid out on a walk, if you step on a certain line, or colour of brick or tile, something will happen that you made up in your mind? That's what the sovcits seem like they're doing to me.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 3 points 11 months ago

That's exactly it! Those weird rules are just like that game.

[–] Wodge 2 points 11 months ago

As a kid? I still do that and I'm 38!

[–] random9 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What happens if you try to pay for those fake license plate tags with those fake i.o.u. crap I've been reading about on this sub? Surely they must accept it, no?

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 2 points 11 months ago

You'd think!

[–] AA5B 2 points 11 months ago

That explanation makes it seem like pretty much everything is likely them being scammed. If they’ll buy your BS about four star passports, sell them a five star

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

“…exerting my right to travel” LOL.

Maybe if they exerted their limited braincells in thought, they might not be in such shit.