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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Capitalism won’t allow us any means to solve the climate crisis unless their motives for profit somehow magically aligned with the climate motive.

Capitalism is killing us all. And they’re happily watching us fight amongst ourselves over our own “carbon footprint.”

Break out the guillotines, burn down the banks, upend the system. We don’t have any more time for this shit.

[–] nevemsenki 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

So what's your alternative? I've lived in planned economy during the socialist era, and it wasn't exactly great. You had to have friends telling you when shipments of toilet paper or food would arrive and make it early to the shop - otherwise you got nothing, because someone in the central planning office fucked up again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

The alternative is a cooperation based economy, rather than a competition based one.

You know, like how the very basics of society work. After all, without cooperation society would never exist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

For the record, when and where?

[–] nevemsenki 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Hungary, back in the Kádár era. According to my parents, it was way worse before, back in the Rákosi days.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

This is a false dichotomy. Also, in the case you haven’t noticed, this sub is part of a solarpunk server. We want solarpunk :)

[–] nevemsenki 2 points 4 months ago

Ah, so that's what the slrpnk is! Still find lemmy weird at times.

[–] Pizza_Rat 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Or maybe we could work a unified coalition of voters around the implementation of a carbon tax, incremented over a period of years, to align those incentives?

[–] riodoro1 4 points 4 months ago

Lets give the oligarchs another 200 tears. Surely they’ll do the right thing.

Wake the fuck up. This system is rotten to the bones. Our freedom exists as long as it is in line with their profit. Smoke and fucking mirrors.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

VOOOOTE HARDER I'M SOOO VOOOOTING NOW

Fucking idealistic bullshit, burn the system

[–] Womble 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Because burning down the system and starting from scratch has such a great track record and certainly isnt idealistic...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Actually yes, most of the modern world you're living in was made with violent change

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Burning down the system is starting from scratch is the reason why you can even vote in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Bummer. New Mid-range Electric SUVs are 7k usd in China. So most manufacturing seems to be transitioning out of China, but maybe they'll take over the auto industry next.

[–] RaoulDook 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It's pretty interesting to look at the options of Chinese EVs for the price. Even considering that it could cost up to $3k to ship a car from China to the USA privately, and the 27% tariff, it's still pretty damn cheap compared to most EV options in the USA. You could possibly have a brand new electric SUV for about $12k

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Not a chance. Donut media tried to purchase one of those 2k$ electric trucks from China. The fees associated with shipping it here brought the price north of 10k if I recall correctly. I’ll search for it and come back.

[–] Cort 3 points 4 months ago

Pretty sure they're not approved by DOT/NHTSA, so there's not really a way to register them for public road use.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yRG0Wai4sR0

Sorry about the YouTube link (if it irks you), on mobile atm.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Low quality cars heavily subsidized by the government are not exactly valid comparison. We do need to force manufacturers to lower their profits though. Current prices of electric cars are more than 50% pure greed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

American "high quality" cars have their roofs and doors falling off, so it's a pretty valid comparison. Pay 50,000 USD, your door handles don't work, your roof might fall off and you aren't allowed to fix anything yourself.

Also, I'm in China right now, and these are not "low quality" electric cars. The BYD mid-range SUVs I'm talking about match the range and quality manufacture of Teslas and bolts I've been in. You'll need to back that statement up with very current articles and evidence.

They have cheaper ones too, like 3k US, work fine, and are compacts.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The Chevy Bolt starts at $26,500

even though it's the most affordable electric car in the US, it's still too much. It's trying to replace the Spark which started at $13,500

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Meanwhile most people can’t afford the payments or even get a car loan in the first place, much less cough up thousands for a new car.

[–] CptEnder 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Unrelated but that Renault looks fly af, what model is that??

Ah damn it's a concept R5. So it's gonna look like ass. Shame thought they finally decided to make a pretty car lmao.