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Israel vows to 'finish the job' in Gaza as War Cabinet member threatens a Ramadan deadline for Rafah (apnews.com)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/world

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The U.S., Israel’s top ally, said it instead hopes to broker a cease-fire and hostage-release agreement between Israel and Hamas, and envisions a wider resolution on the war sparked by the militant group’s Oct. 7 attack. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has called Hamas’ demands “delusional.”

Netanyahu also opposes Palestinian statehood, which the U.S. calls a key element in a broader vision for the normalization of relations between Israel and regional heavyweight Saudi Arabia. His Cabinet adopted a declaration Sunday saying Israel “categorically rejects international edicts on a permanent arrangement with the Palestinians” and opposes any unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state.

Netanyahu has vowed to continue the Gaza offensive until Israel achieves a “total victory” over the Hamas militant group and plans to expand it to Gaza’s southernmost city of Rafah, where more than half the enclave’s 2.3 million Palestinians have sought refuge.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Hard to believe there are still people out there saying this is justified...

Whike it's true that Hamas are by no means the good guys, Israel's response to the Hamas attacks is to literally pull a genocide by a different name.

What else do you call straight up bombing buildings and hospitals full of innocent people; sending out kill squads into the streets; destroying any and all infrastructure required to grow and preserve food, and to get potable water; and denying your victims any and all humanitarian aid. Even without the quotes from Netanyahu, Israel's actions say more than their words ever could.

[–] bbkpr 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

by a different name

It's literally just genocide, cut and dry. (I do understand your point, just emphasizing my view).

[–] psycho_driver 22 points 9 months ago

Hamas was never anything but an excuse to get this rolling.

[–] evenglow 14 points 9 months ago

Total War.

The term was coined by a general during the American Civil War and has been defined as "A war that is unrestricted in terms of the weapons used, the territory or combatants involved, or the objectives pursued, especially one in which the laws of war are disregarded."

[–] shiroininja 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Some kind of reaction was Legitimate, because the attack in Oct were terrible, but Israel went too far, and we’re way past equivalent response

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It should be pointed out that Israel is clearly NOT doing this in response to Oct 7th. Hamas was clearly responsible for Oct 7th, and Israel is clearly not attempting to retaliate against Hamas; bombing a building on the off chance that your enemy is within it isn't a counterattack, it's just terrorism, and repeating that action on the scale that Israel is repeating it is not a war, it's genocide.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

No you don’t understand, hummus was in the Belgian building

[+] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Some would be wrong because they involved innocents.

[–] orrk 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

isn't that what the literal Nazis are saying about Dresden?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

[–] Linkerbaan 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCjTki-OgKQ

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

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[+] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There's a major difference between attacking armed military targets during a war, and bombing hospitals full of innocent people.

If you're going to take all the subtly out of the conversation, then by that same stroke all Palestinians are responsible for the actions of Hamas, which means everything Israel is doing is justifiable, which you and I both know is plain wrong.

You can't have your cake and eat it too - either attacking civilians is always wrong or it isn't - and I'd rather stand on the side of not justifying killing innocent people.

[–] uSpetzWon -3 points 9 months ago

Since you're ok with war crimes, what are you complaining about? if Oct 7 was ok, then what ever retribution Israel drops on Gaza is ok too. Palestinians are responsible for Palestine'd actions.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago

I get where you are coming from truly.

Remember that everyone woke up on 10/8 and kept the innocent hostages that had nothing to do with it.

They did not.

At that point they could have uninvolved they innocents and shown everyone their true intentions, and that they only wanted to involve Israel.

They didn’t.

Let’s be real, 1 phone call to the US government and you would have an extraction team to get our people out easier than a slick shit.

They didn’t.

They chose to keep the innocents.

Fuck hummus and fuck israel

[–] uSpetzWon -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So, some would say killing and raping civilians is legitimate? Cool.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Yet you're silent on the 30,000 dead civilians Israel has killed in the last few months, and instead say Palestinians should help Israel.

[–] Maggoty 7 points 9 months ago

Is that different name ethnic cleansing? Forced migration? Holodomor? Nakba?

[+] [email protected] -27 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The "hospital bombing" Was a Hamas rocket, probably not intentional. When Hamas fires hundreds of rockets in the general direction of your enemy's population centers, some don't make it all the way there.

sending out kill squads into the streets

Yeah that's a military patrol. Yeah a military will kill their enemies when there's a war. They form up into squads. This is what happens in a war.

destroying any and all infrastructure required to grow and preserve food, and to get potable water; and denying your victims any and all humanitarian aid.

Yes war is destructive. There is humanitarian aid going in. There is a border between Egypt and Gaza, it's mostly just Egypt is being weird causing problems. They had some strange deals going with Hamas, but it looks like that's changing. With the capabilities of Hamas degraded Egypt no longer fears Hamas linking up with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and causing problems for them. So it's beginning to look like Egypt will start allowing refugees out of Gaza.

Mostly this is about putting pressure on Hamas to release the hostages. These guys are psychopaths and won't do that just because they want to end the war. They don't care what happens to Palestinian civilians as long as they're safe in their underground bunkers. There needs to be a threat to the lives of Hamas themselves to force them to release the hostages. There isn't going to be peace if they continue to hold Israelis hostages. That should be obvious to everyone now.

A lot of the humanitarian problems are because there are so many people in Rafah, a place that doesn't have the infrastructure to handle that many people. The civilians will be evacuated either to what's left of their homes to the north because this was never about ethnic cleansing or Nakba or whatever. Or they can go to Egypt. If Hamas refuses to give up the hostages and surrender, then the only ones in Rafah will be those that want to be there for the last battle of what's left of Hamas.

It's almost over, children.

[–] Maggoty 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Reductive logic and lies by omission. Congratulations on defending genocide. Israel has destroyed several major hospitals, routinely shoots unarmed people, bombs places with no military value, and blocks aid from entering Gaza.

The reporting on this is overwhelming at this point. You either condone it or not.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The "hospital bombing" Was a Hamas rocket

This was independently verified as an IDF rocket from multiple sources. Also what about the other 7 hospitals bombed?

Yeah a military will kill their enemies when there's a war.

Snipers are executing children with bullets to the head. Men are released blindfolded to run and be executed via bullet. This is not what many would be considered, "normal war killing"

There is humanitarian aid going in. There is a border between Egypt and Gaza, it's mostly just Egypt is being weird causing problems.

Not only is the IDF stopping aid into Gaza as are Israel citizens.

A lot of the humanitarian problems are because there are so many people in Rafah, a place that doesn't have the infrastructure to handle that many people

Interesting that Israel specifically chose this as a place to evacuate civilians to, and despite that still decided to do both a bombing and ground invasion.

what's left of their homes to the north

There is nothing left. The IDFs entire plan was the destruction of civilian infrastructure and we're already seeing Israeli settlers moving into these western locations.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Said better than I could ever have replied, have a boost on me

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

I’m so glad that we only had to kill 20,000 innocent people to get to this point

[–] [email protected] 57 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Total victory sounds like a final solution.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

Bibi, the IDF and zionists are so far down the rabbit hole they can't see the similarities.

On another note I just rewatched Welcome to Sarajevo. It was like watching video of Gaza. :(

"Don't, don't, don't live under this dream that the West is going to come in and sort this problem out. Don't dream dreams."

Nothing has changed. I doubt it ever will.

[–] Twattymctwatterson 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A final solution to the Hamas problem, what could go wrong?

[–] Aceticon 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Plenty of Israeli government members talk about the "Palestinian problem", not the "Hamas problem".

It's quite consistent with how they say palestinians are "violent" and "human animals", which is the normal way racists look at other etnicities: as adversaries, all the same, bad and inferior, because of their race, all to blame for any bad actions of other people from the same etnicity.

The violence against Palestinians is as it is because of the profound racism that has been cultivated in Israel to justify the stealing of Palestinian land and all manner of inhuman actions against Palestinians to suppress their revolt against it: it's not seen as inhuman when people believe the victims are all the same, all enemies and all "animals".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Totalen Krieg

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well, that's not ominous phrasing at all.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

When somebody shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Just a really horrid situation. Israel has become its own Golem. Created to secure and defend an oppressed Jewish people, but then gone mad with its own bloodlust and violence and going on a murderous rampage. We just have to see if, like in the legend, anyone is able to stop it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Israel has become its own Golem.

Always has been.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

We just need like 10 trumpets yeah?

[–] Witchfire 1 points 9 months ago

It's a ground rock type so just hit it with a hose

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I think you can destroy the symbol on the head too

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The other word for "finish the job" is "Endlösung".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Eerily similar language being deployed...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So sad how they almost put an end to this bloodbath back in the 90s but nationalism and propaganda had to ruin it all and now it’s even worse than it ever was before (not that before was any better)

It’s so horrific when ppl are demanding a ceasefire cuz this monstrosity, yet the UN and our govs couldn’t really care less cuz it’s not a first world country, being allies with Israel and capitalism as a whole. Makes a lot of ppl feel so powerless over this esp when countries like Ukraine are going through similar yet, are not willing to support the Palestinians over their struggles.

Just an awful and tragic situation tbh.

[–] Linkerbaan 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I want to announce that on the beginning of Easter I will be president of the United States unless israel disbands.

I have set a deadline in advance which means I am justified and correct.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Retired general Benny Gantz, part of Netanyahu’s three-member War Cabinet, represents an influential voice but not the final word on what might lie ahead.

As cease-fire negotiations struggle after signs of progress in recent weeks, Netanyahu has called demands by Gaza’s ruling Hamas militant group “delusional.”

But Netanyahu opposes Palestinian statehood, which the U.S. calls a key element in a broader vision for normalization of relations between Israel and regional heavyweight Saudi Arabia.

The suggested timing for the offensive came as the World Health Organization chief said southern Gaza’s main medical center, Nasser Hospital, “is not functional anymore” after Israeli forces raided it in Khan Younis last week.

In Gaza City, which suffered widespread destruction early in the war, an airstrike flattened a home, killing seven people, including three women, according to relative Sayed al-Afifi.

The U.S. Central Command said it conducted five self-defense strikes Saturday against cruise missiles and drones in area of Yemen controlled by the Iranian-backed Houthi rebel group.

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