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[–] moitoi 94 points 1 year ago (8 children)

If the politics don't change and stop pushing a neoliberal agenda, it won't stop. Inequalities are rising in Europe, what makes the far right “against the system” semantic looking nice. It's up to the traditional parties to change and stop the last 40 years of politics to stop this rise.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I agree. Major parties are increasingly at odds with voter sentiment, then everyone pretends to be surprised when voters turn to smaller parties. Migration is a massive issue in Europe following the 2015 Refugee Crisis. Very little has been done to solve the resulting major social issues. Instead, many parties are doubling down on policies which have been a complete failure.

Denmark is a really interesting case study. Their large leftwing party started losing votes on the migration issue, so they stole policies from the right and implemented them in a softer, more moderate manner. They proceeded to dominate polls for years. I don’t understand why leftwing parties across Europe don’t replicate that. Surely it is preferable to be in the driver’s seat to shape how migration is controlled, rather than being relegated to being a spectator for the next decade.

Oh well, no use crying over spilled milk. Democracy will prevail and Europeans will ultimately decide the fate of their nations.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s a global issue though. Capitalism is demanding cheap labor fodder, and sooner or later societies will crack. See how in the whole western world, which has a comparatively high living standard, fascism Is on the rise?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah the problem is that the world is kind of running out of dictatorships and underdeveloped countries that "first world countries" can exploit without a second thought - so the reality of having to adapt to a far less glamorous life will have to settle in sooner or later for a lot of those richer countries as there is a huge divide between their lifestyle and moral values.

So the easiest solution for a lot of them is to put moral values aside and be egoistic and imho that's what leading to a lot of the shitty stuff that we see happening today all over the world.

The only way to keep living while exploiting people halfway across the world is telling yourself that those people are "worth less" and there you have the necessary first step for racism/fascism/populism to latch onto

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thing is, the AFD, apart from being Nazis, are also neoliberal. Only an idiot (who also likes Nazis) will vote for them over disliking neoliberalism.

[–] notapantsday 12 points 1 year ago

People don't dislike neoliberalism, they dislike the effects it has on society. But they fail to connect the dots.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Instead, conservative parties everywhere are trying to tap into the fascism for extra votes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That might be workable in the long run, but let's face it. AfD took advantage of racism and likely the ignorance in former Soviet region.

It's not like policy can change the mind of mad, emotional and uneducated creatures.

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[–] TwoGems 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] iByteABit 12 points 1 year ago

Social media misinformation is far from being the largest cause. There are so many people living in villages and islands that aren't educated, and fully believe the far right's fairy tales about how they're going to fix the system and restore things to how they used to be.

I agree about social media though, I think that the EU needs to give Meta, Google and Twitter an ultimatum: Fix your algorithms in order not to create echo chambers of misinformation otherwise you're gone from every EU country.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As an aside, since it's an area where I see a lot of misconceptions, AFAIK, algorithms aren't purposefully trying to promote alt right views. But rather alt right views are usually outrage driven and outrage drives consumption, which is what the algorithms are trying to maximize.

Though I completely agree that all the social media, search, AI, etc companies need to do far more to combat disinformation. Most of them seem to try to be "neutral" and assume good faith, but those are things that the alt right playbook actively tries to exploit. There's a very famous quote by Jean-Paul Sartre:

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

I think a lot of tech companies (except Twitter -- that's gone full Nazi) are full of people trying to maximize profits by attempting to be as centrist as possible, trying not to piss off either "side". But they either don't understand how fascism spreads or don't care, so their actions are resulting in spreading harm.

[–] Clbull 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Alternative for Germany are performing alarmingly well in Eastern Germany. They're already the second-largest party in several Landtags including Saxony-Anhalt, Saxony and Thuringia. They're also overtaking the incumbent party in opinion polls and are pretty much poised to be the ruling party across multiple German states.

Thankfully, I don't see AfD leading the country, but Merkel opening the floodgates to mass migration has spooked a lot of people into right-wing voting.

We should be more worried about France swinging to the far-right. Le Pen has a very good chance of winning the next election in 2027, especially with how badly Macron and Renaissance have tanked their reputations.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

...but Merkel opening the floodgates to mass migration

Please don't replicate right-wing talking points. She didn't open any gates - she just decided (contrary to all countries around us) to not suddenly shut our open borders when millions fled war and were seeking for refuge.

She basically did, what she always excelled at: sitting it out and doing nothing, then selling it as her political success. Active change was her constant enemy.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Hopefully it doesn't turn out as bad as France

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The concerns should have been raised long before it even reached this point, but I guess even in Germany the willingness to preserve the memory of the atrocities they committed as a nation is beginning to wane.
And it didn't even take 100 years, though when you look at who they're playing against (the even bigger imperialists and colonisers who have never even pretended to be sorry), it's almost impressive.
But only almost.

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[–] Narann 7 points 1 year ago

Globalization's beating will continue until moral improves.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I thought this was a portrait of Adolf Hitler with a pride flag background at first glance 😂

[–] PostnataleAbtreibung 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

As concerning as this is, luckily it is „only“ a major of a small area of the former sovjet zone. The party or the mayor won’t gain influence in the federation.

The people over there are strangely attracted to the propaganda. I really hope this isn’t the new trend for whole Germany, I still have hope we are not that dumb (again).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately it seems to be a trend for the whole western world. There has been a steady shift to the right in politics in Europe and America for a couple of decades now. And I think it'll get a whole hell of a lot worse before it gets better. There are no quick fixes. There are no easy solutions. The left needs to get its act together and present a viable alternative.

[–] reagansrottencorpse 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The problem is money, right wing politicians are a great return on investment to large corporations. Money always sides with fascism.

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