Food and medicine for Gaza – Germany has increased its assistance for people in Gaza : europe

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm confused. Last thing I remember is that Germany is supporting Israel or at least not recognising the genocide?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They also cut the payment to UNRWA and continue to keep it cut based on the allegations Israel brought forth a day after the ICJ ruled measures Israel needs to abide by, in aprticular improving the access of humanitarian aid.

The news here is a measly 8 million € that are far from being enough to alleviate the immediate catastrophe. For reference Germany has so far commited about a 130 million to humanitarian aid in Gaza since Oct. 7, but more than 300 million in weapons to Israel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

To be clear the 300million are sold to Israel and are unlike the aid to Gaza not a gift.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

A lot of it is actually gifted. Germany has paid 35 milion in 2023 according to the budget plan and currently 530 million are pledged as military aid to Israel.

https://www.bundeshaushalt.de/static/daten/2023/soll/epl60.pdf

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

There is no contradiction in anything you just said. To defend agains Hamas is a necessity. To try and help humans in pain as well.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Feels good man. I hope we continue to increase humanitarian help.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

LMAO at all the people in here that think the claims against UNRWA are only weeks old. They are fishy for at least a year prior to the attacks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We can trust everything that Israel says. They have never lied about anything.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

while i have to agree to the sarcasm, as this conflict is built on lies, deceipt and propaganda for over 40 years, the claims against the UNRWA have not been solely made by Israel alone.
But i most definitely have to stop discussing about this whole topic, as i have posted some very wrong things yesterday and was very non-civil in my arguments to say the least.
i apologize for the comment above, as it's missing the entire context that i didn't provide with it.

[–] Aceticon -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Image management from the guys who proclaimed "unwavering support for Israel" the day the death toll for Palestinian children crossed 4000, criticized the bringing of a case against Israel for Genocide to the ICJ, immediatelly stopped contributions to the UNWRA following unconfirmed and unchecked allegations from Israel against less than 1% of its people in Gaza and who continue to provide military and financial help to Israel.

Racist "genocide is fine if done by the right people against 'human animals'" Nazi-lovers, now trying to use modern Marketing and PR techniques to manage their image whilst they "unwaveringly" support mass murder.

Evil hypocrite racists.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Germans are on the wrong side of history yet again.

[+] [email protected] -13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

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[–] filister 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

In case you missed that part, Israel didn't provide any proof for their claim that UNRWA employees were indeed involved on the 7th of October.

And even if we accept that those employees were indeed involved we are talking about 13/30.000, 0.04% of their total number of employees.

Do you defund the Bundeswehr or the German Police because they found out that some employees there were Neo-Nazis? I don't think so.

Plus I didn't hear anyone actually suggesting a viable alternative to the UNRWA. Or shall we simply let those people die of starvation? Because this is what is actually happening on the ground.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Israel is accusing 12 UNRWA employees to have taken part in the Hamaz raid on Israel on December 7th. That would make them active terrorists. Furthermore Israel is saying that about 190 UNRWA employees are members of Hamaz or the Islamic Jihad. That would be 0.6% if true. As for the Bundeswehr or German Police, you would see everybody suspected of terrorism being suspended immediately. This is looking especially bad, as the IDF seems to have found a large bunker system used by Hamaz under the Gaza HQ of UNRWA. If this turns out to be true, that really makes the entire organization look bad. I am very certain the Bundeswehr would be dissolved, if they would find a hidden Neo Nazi terror organization bunker under the HQ of the Bundeswehr.

[–] filister 3 points 4 months ago

https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=SVtw8PKl-CE. I haven't seen a single report or independently verified report siding with Israel's claim. Don't forget that this gor reported one day after the ICJ ruling, which says that Israel should not hinder the access to humanitarian aid of Gazans, something Israel is deliberately hijacking. So knowing Israel's history of refusing to admit their own guilt, I have my serious doubts about the credibility of these reports.

And even if true, all the UNRWA employees are vetted by Israel, and they have all been cleared by their last assessment last May, so apparently Israel also failed in their job. Heck Israel even failed to prevent 7th of October even though Mossad is believed to be one of the most capable in the world. I think it is only fair to disband Mossad too.

What about the IDF who killed three of their own hostages, who also happened to be shirtless and waving a white flag, let's disband them too. Mind you IDF soldiers committed a lot more war crimes, who I am sure went undocumented, deliberately killing thousands of innocent civilians.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

It's a lie. Like 40 beheaded babies, or the rapes, or the Hamas rocket hitting the hospital, or the Hamas nerve centre under Shifa hospital.

Zionists lie like they breathe.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This is the trick.... how to get aid into the hands of the people who need it without empowering the terrorists who have control of the place from top to bottom.

This is by design and intent by Hamas in case that wasn't entirely obvious.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

even considering that, withdrawing support for civilians would be unethical

[+] [email protected] -6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Funding terrorism is unethical. Such is the forced quandary the terrorists have placed the West in.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Giving people water and food is not funding terrorism. Starving people, denying them basic human rights and killing inocent people is funding terrorism. Yes, the humanitarian aids will also benefit hamas, but that does not give us the right to deny people their basic human rights

[+] [email protected] -7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Giving terrorists the ability to control the population is enabling terrorism. That's how they've extended and maintained control of the strip for nearly two decades.

That the UN allowed UNRWA to reach this level of involvement is a tragedy on its own but this isn't news, it's been reported on for over a decade. That the UN has failed to act is the reason why the people are going to suffer. Trying to guilt nations into supporting terrorism under the guise of aid is disgusting as well.

UNRWA needs to be dismantled and the care of the people of Gaza should be handled by the UNHCR going forward. If the UN can't coordinate it's own agencies to transition this, that's yet another failure of the institution and I'm still not blaming the countries that are withholding funds at this point. They're right to do so until guarantees that the money isn't going to be used to further conflict can be established.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Giving terrorists the ability to control the population is enabling terrorism.

And leaving a people that has nowhere to go without food, medicine and water, what would that be? I'm asking genuinely, even if Hamas completely controls the distribution of aids within Gaza in order to maintain control, do you really believe that withdrawing these aids (and therefore causing death and starvation) would be at all justifiable?

[–] filister 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

ELI5 how do you organise and distribute a humanitarian aid for 2.3M people in a war torn country, without the needed infrastructure and people on the ground? Shall we also mention that Israel is doing very little to streamline the delivery of this humanitarian aid, actively blocking it either entering the country or reaching the whole of Gaza?

If this isn't a collective punishment, what is? And it also happens to be a war crime. Do you refuse to acknowledge Israel's involvement of this war crime? Or is Israel some special country for which international laws don't apply?

https://childrenandarmedconflict.un.org/six-grave-violations/denial-of-humanitarian-access

[+] [email protected] -10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is the problem Hamas manufactured. The sad reality is you can't dismantle UNRWA and Hamas without further human suffering.

People have been identifying this problem for a decade, if only the UN had heeded these warnings this all could have been avoided. The fault isn't with the funding nations.

[–] filister 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You do realise that any humanitarian organisation needs to co-ordinate its actions with the local authorities in the territory to make sure that they can deliver the help. And in the case of Gaza this seems to be Hamas. I am sure that every non profit or humanitarian organisation that operates in Gaza has established some kind of communication with Hamas, shall we disband all of them then? Like WHO, WFP, the Red Crescent, UNICEF, ...

But hey, let's change them without any plan how or who's going to be responsible for the humanitarian aid during an active war conflict. This is a wonderful idea!

Just because the civilians in Gaza didn't suffer enough.

[+] [email protected] -11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Did you catch the Hamas server farm placed directly under UNRWA headquarters that hit the news yesterday? The electrical being Fed from the HQ.

UNRWA is a fucking terrorist organization. They don't deserve a dime.

[–] filister 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Unfounded allegations. Where is the independent proof, or are we all now believing the IDF propaganda?

This sure seems to be like the story about the Hamas headquarter under Al Shifa Hospital https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shifa_hospital#:~:text=Amnesty%20International%20said%20on%2023,credible%20evidence%22%20for%20the%20allegation.

And don't you find it a bit fishy that this comes days after the preliminary ICJ ruling, one day after which Israel started their campaign to discredit UNRWA, by stating that their employees took part in the 7th of October attack, but conveniently missed to provide any proof, neither to the UN, nor to any of their so called allies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

LMFAO. Unfounded just like the thousands of texts and the employees who've been verified by UNRWA.

Now we're seeing the 'journalist' Al Jazeera has been pushing was a Hamas commander.

This is all becoming quite clear now that the information is flowing. Yet you simps can't seem to handle it. Interesting how you'll accept what Hamas says without question but you refuse the photos and files that are pouring out. It would be funny if people weren't dying because of this stupidity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

The fact that you accept Israel's evidence without question suggests that you are a Hasbara troll spreading FUD.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

UNRWA is an UN institution. You think the US, UK or France would have allowed UNRWA to be designed intentionally to support terrorism?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Of course it wasn't designed to support terrorism, but it CLEARLY and obviously does now which is why they've rightfully suspended funding. It needs to be dismantled, Palestinians should have always been handled by UNHCR.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

How do you conclude

but it CLEARLY and obviously does now which is why they’ve rightfully suspended funding. It needs to be dismantled

Where is the evidence that proves UNRWA to do so?
UNRWA staff sacked without evidence
allegations remain murky
And of course it needs to be considered, that Israel brought forth these allegations, just after the ICJ has ruled Israel to need to abide by preliminary measures, to reduced the risk of a plausible genocide against the Palestinians. It is well probable that this is a smoke grenade to deflect from the ruling made by the ICJ, as it gives reason not only to doubt the moral, but also the legal position of Israel.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That you're refusing to engage with the mountains of evidence that un watch has compiled shows your biases. Coupled with what's come out just this weekend, there's no more disputing UNRWA is a terrorist organization.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You mention mountains of evidence, yet you do not provide a single link.

But since i know UN-watch. It is a pro Israeli propaganda organization and not an independent NGO. They were even organisationally intertwined with the world jewish council and other pro Israeli lobbies. They almost exclusively focus on discrediting UNRWA. They cannot be considered a neutral source.

But your claim that UNRWA would be a terrorist organization then gets entirely absurd. Terror means to employ violence to achieve political goals. so the term "terrorist organization" defines an organization that has political goals and primarily employs violence to achieve them. Neither has UNRWA poitical goals, nor is there any credibility to the claim, the organization would engage in violence. It cannot always be excluded, that some UNRWA employees may have done so. But neither did they do it in the capacity of the organization, nor did they make up a relevant number of the UNRWA employees.

Of course if there is credible evidence that UNRWA employees have engaged in illegal activities that needs to be investigated and if the claim should hold true, there needs to be consequences.

But destroying UNRWA like you demand, only serves to commit genocide to the Palestinians in Gaza by destroying the only organization that currently can provide a bare and insufficent minimum of humanitarian aid to millions of starving people. It is in direct violation of the ICJ ruling that demanded Israel to take actions to provide adequate humanitarian aid, and it shows with what can only be described in the "banality of evil" how Israel is set to continue the destruction of the Palestinian people.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago

Un watch. Org. That you're denying facts because you're bigoted against the source just shows you're not intellectually honest here. Facts don't have to be neutral to be facts.

Also, the congressional testimony that's under oath and on record.

Both widely available yet you're refusing to acknowledge reality.

Reality is UNRWA is a terrorist organization making things worse for Gazans and better for the Palestinian refugee industrial complex. It's going to be dismantled and Palestinians will be better off for it, eventually. In the meantime, Qatar or Iran can pay the tab for the mess they sponsored.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"CLEARLY and obviously"

Citation needed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Open your damn eyes FFS. There's documentation going back nearly a decade. It's like you want to continue to be fooled.

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