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[–] 13esq 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The national lottery in the UK does a lot of funding for charity and other good causes. I know the chances of me winning are essentially zero, but I'm not playing with the expectation of winning.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

If any of those causes would otherwise be funded by the government, it's a scam.

Last Week Tonight:
https://youtu.be/9PK-netuhHA?si=bhE1FxCMffwqKTvs

[–] rockSlayer 8 points 1 year ago

You might not be playing to win, but other people are out of desperation. Instead of charity, why not allocate taxes to solve the root cause creating the need for charity?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I think in the US the funds usually go to education

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I understand the point of the meme and lottery is definitely commodifying hope, but a lot of the revenue generated does go towards social and education programs. In the US at least every state has their own system in place, but overwhelmingingly it goes towards funding education. Whether that money is spent responsibly from that trust is another story, but here's a state by state breakdown:

NPR - Lottery State by State

[–] captainlezbian 33 points 1 year ago

The problem is that this money tends to be used to justify lowering taxes. Schools don’t stay well funded

[–] rockSlayer 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of that revenue comes from desperate people that need money so they can avoid starving or homelessness. Even if it goes to a good cause, it's a tax on the poor by selling hope.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Exactly this. It's just a repackaging of a regressive tax system.

[–] Hildegarde 16 points 1 year ago

Lotteries don't actually fund education. That's just marketing to make the idea of lotteries more paletteable.

They will say that all proceeds from the lottery go to education. All that means is that the state's education budget must be greater than the lottery's profits.

If the lottery brings in $100 million, that does not mean schools will have $100 million more than they otherwise would. If the state was spending $250 million on education before the lottery, they could spend the same next year while still rightly claiming all of the lottery's $100 million went to education.

State budgets are based on the priorities of the legislature. If they don't prioritize education, a lottery won't change that. In practice, $100 million in lottery income means $100 million in tax cuts, or $100 million the legislature can spend elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Know what else goes to social and educational programs and can be progressively implemented to collect from the wealthy instead of the poor?

TAXES.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

No fair, using reasoning instead of justification!

(J/k, it is absolutely fair and I love it:-)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

You can select any random thing from the state budget, and any random amount of money coming in, and say "this revenue is going to fund this program." It's just a way to justify the lottery, sort of making it sound like if they shut down the lottery then they'd have to reduce funding for the schools as a result, when in reality there's no such relationship.

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On top of what else is said, it perpetuates the ridiculous Republican idea that we can all be millionaires one day.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You may have noticed that being a millionaire is not the sign of real wealth anymore. To be actually wealthy, you need to be a billionaire or at least half-billionaire. Honestly, a middle class person approaching retirement is supposed to be worth a million just to expect to maintain their middle class lifestyle through retirement and into death. Otherwise either their children or the government supports them, probably at a vastly reduced lifestyle.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

In addition tovwhat is already said, its a way to have the poor pay for those programs instead of the rich adding further to income disparity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Then they use the lottery money (which varies depending on the state of the economy) to justify underfunding those same social programs. So you can't even guarantee that they programs will have a stable budget from year to year, something that's necessary for these programs to be noisy effective? And what do you do when the economy tanks, suddenly more people than ever need benefits, but there's even less money coming in, you're not in a position to raise taxes (and it would take time even if you were), and your state constitution mandates that you have a balanced budget?

Fund things like the salaries and retirement funds of politicians out of the lottery, not the livelihoods of teachers and the well-being of those who desperately need public services.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

How long until the lottery isn't actually winning a bunch of money, but being selected to be an unwilling organ donor to the rich, ala The Island? 🤔

[–] thorbot 6 points 1 year ago

Meme format incorrect, your assertions are invalid

[–] jeffw 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I once watched a libertarian party debate (maybe 2012 election?) and one guy called the lottery a “tax on stupid people.” That really just shows how divorced from reality these people are.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yet... Is it not accurate? Why does that make one disconnected? The chances of a win in the lottery are so miniscule that you are basically pissing away money.

[–] rockSlayer 2 points 1 year ago

gambling addiction isn't stupidity. Also, a lot of people gamble on the lottery in desperation. It's more akin to a desperation tax.

[–] Maven 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] jeffw 1 points 1 year ago

This is just the popular clip. There are so many worse moments in their debates

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I call it a "tax on ignorance" instead

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Rigged. How can California have the biggest winners the past few years back to back? F outta here!