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A drug cartel has attacked a remote Mexican community with drones and gunmen, rights group says (apnews.com)
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:

MEXICO CITY (AP) — A small community in Guerrero, a Mexican state plagued by unrelenting cartel violence, was attacked by drones and armed men, a local human rights group told the Associated Press on Friday.

The religious and human rights organization Minerva Bello Center said Thursday’s attack on at least 30 people was carried out by a drug cartel.

The center’s director, José Filiberto Velázquez, said the victims were likely killed, though authorities still had not been able to enter the remote community or confirm the deaths.

The community of Helidoro Castillo, on the fringes of Tlacotepec, is caught in an escalating war between the La Familia Michoacana and the Jalisco New Generation cartels.

Guerrero has become one of the hotspots for conflict, and in October a police chief and 13 officers were ambushed and shot dead in the southern Mexican state.

As researchers report that cartels have practically carved out their own “fiefdoms”, they’ve also grown more bold, warring with drones in other parts of Mexico, pushing into legal industries like the avocado trade, and even constructing their own Wi-Fi networks and forcing locals to pay under the threat of death.

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[–] nixcamic 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

the La Familia Michoacana and the Jalisco New Generation cartels.

I'm always confused about who decides to translate what. Like, why did la familia michoacana get to keep its article and get an extra "the" tacked on. Why did Nueva generación get translated but not familia?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

The La Trattoria.

(Mickey Blue Eyes, fantastic movie, go watch it!)

[–] badbytes 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Drones are cheap. Imagine when the citizens start attacking back.

[–] someguy3 7 points 11 months ago

I believe they did, thus this attack.

[–] Son_of_dad 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

What I don't get is why the u.s is helping other nations fight their wars across the planet, but they won't deal with cartels on their own continent. If they went full anti terrorism on the cartels, they'd be minced meat in months.

[–] overzeetop 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Doubtful. 20 years in Afghanistan bought us nothing. Half a century of meddling in the rest of central America has produced refugee waves. While we could, theoretically, try to assist the Mexican government with funds we’d probably fuck that up too.

[–] ForgotAboutDre 8 points 11 months ago

Afghanistan was fighting an ideological enemy, that won their last war by waiting it out. Waiting out the Soviets worked and the same approached worked on the US coalition forces.

The cartels in Mexico are businesses. They aren't the same type of enemy. You only have to make the business unprofitable for it to stop.

Remove the market in the US for drugs. Legalisation of the okay ones and social support for the harder drugs would reduce the size of the market.

If you improve opportunities for people, these gangs have less recruitment leverage.

The rest is just eroding the financial ability of the gangs. Detailed targeting of their finances would reduce the gangs liquidity and thus ability to operate. Continued military engagement would require them to spend more money of weapons and salaries hurting their bottom line. Capturing more of the members would also limit their ability to operate.

These do require long term commitments of a large amount of resources. If the gangs think they can wait it out 2-20 years it won't work.

In Afghanistan they thought the could win in a few weeks and it would all be sorted. In part they were correct. Afghanistan was defeated before all the troops turned up. It was establishing a long term new order that was the issue. Mexico already has a recognised government that just needs support.

The big issue is this all depends on investing in people and public service. That's the real solution the military action would just be an accelerant. Neoliberals think investing in people isn't necessary. However, the free market sells them drugs and encourages murder in pursuit of selling these drugs. The free markets is in the way here, neoliberalism isn't the answer.

[–] chitak166 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"It didn't work once, so now it's impossible."

It's like you people forget about: Vietnam, Taiwan, South Korea, Hawaii, and every other nation where the US successfully spread its dominance.

The reason why we don't invade Mexico is because we want Mexicans to be poor and desperate so they can be our new China.

[–] cmbabul 10 points 11 months ago

That’s a question that deserves a really big answer but I don’t think I have it in me this weekend, but the long and short of it is that there are no parties in the US that stand to make money from wiping out the cartels and probably several that would lose money.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The CIA wants this type of activity so that the regimes in Central and South America are habitually weakened and always in need of some form of welfare from the USA. Like I know it sounds crackpot and tinfoil hat quality to say this stuff but the last 60 years basically prove it to be so. Any form of advancement that occurs within these countries has an almost direct economic impact to the USA where the cost of things goes up as the quality of living goes up in these countries. Its in the USA's interest to keep these countries poor. How else are they supposed to get cheap labor?

[–] someguy3 2 points 11 months ago

Now we see people fleeing those countries. The actual best interest is stable countries.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Mexico doesn't want America to get involved. Maybe that's because Mexican governments at every level are in bed with the cartels, but the fact stands.

[–] chitak166 1 points 11 months ago

Eh, I'd wager the families getting raped and butchered would want the US to intervene on their behalf.

The gangbangers doing the raping and butchering and their enablers probably don't want the US to intervene.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It’s bananas.