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It’s weird how I’ll see a dream and really ponder over it right after waking only for it to be completely out of my memory shortly after.

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[–] TheBananaKing 55 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You don't form longterm memories while asleep; you lose the last few minutes before you drop off, as well. Short-term memories are held, but they don't get stored.

And the same applies while you're dreaming - nothing's getting recorded. You can pull it out of short-term right after you wake up, but that fades right out.

When you do remember dreams, it's because you remember remembering them while you were awake. If it was vivid enough to go over hard enough, then the second-hand memory gets stored.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Basically when you sleep only RAM works and no ROM storage is active, when you wake up ROM comes online, if you don't pull data from RAM fast, it will be overwritten by other things and you lose it forever.

[–] Buddahriffic 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What about recurring dreams though? I've had some dreams where the most notable part was that it was a location that only existed in my dreams but I'd been there before in previous dreams. Wouldn't you need some kind of recollection to notice that?

[–] ConstantPain 11 points 10 months ago

I had recurring dreams like that too, but I came to the conclusion that it was just my mind playing tricks and making me think that I had that dream before. It's like a dream deja vu.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

There's a few logical possibilities here.

#1 is that whatever stimuli produced it the first time keeps producing it later.

#2 is that you clearly did remember them enough, possibly when you woke up, to commit it to long term memory. This is a tautology, because you would have to remember it to know that it was in previous dreams.

#3, as someone mentioned below, is your mind playing tricks on you. Ever had a dream where you knew an object was something important and specific, even though its appearance in the dream was clearly not that? E.g. you know you're at your (specific) friend's house, but that's not at all what their house looks like. Dreams have a lot of weird substitutions like this, including the idea that you've been somewhere before

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dreams don't really make any sense. When you wake up, you're remembering the emotions and linking them with images, but as the feelings fade, unless you were actively making them into a narrative, the random stimulus soup doesn't have any staying power worth remembering. Trying to remember just corrupts your working memory and will make you change and add details that weren't there. Same reason eye witness testimony is very often wrong.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't know about you, but I can recall and recount perfectly a dream I had almost 15 years ago about a battle in a warzone.

Weirdly enough, two years later I was caught in an irl war. I still think that's interesting, even though it is most likely coincidence.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I had a dream last night that my bed was filled with centipedes - coincidence?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Human Centipedes?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Congrats on your sobriety.

[–] Sheeple 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's because your dreams are not allocated to long term memory but instead short term memory.

Unless you make an active effort to move said memories into to long term memory, they will be literally deleted as most passing thoughts will.

It should be noted that when you dream a lot of your brain is inactive. This includes a few logic centers and in fact the part of your brain responsible for maintaining long term memory

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

In my case, it is more like 5-20 seconds, not 5 minutes. Do you really remember dreams that long? They raid very rapidly, and I usually remember only those parts that I have repeated myself (thought about) right after waking up.

Interestingly, sometimes I revisit fictional places/topics in the dream, which otherwise I forgot. And upon waking up I am like, “yes, I dreamed about it before”, but I would not remember about it otherwise.

[–] CodexArcanum 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Your brain doesn't distinguish between "processing" and "storage." In order to remember something, you essentially have to get a lot of the same neurons that fired during the original event to fire again in the same pattern.

When you sleep, your brain is "copying" memories by replaying them while also firing the neurons that will associate those memories in long-term storage, along with associations that need reinforcing. Think of this as indexing and cross-joining the memories.

When your brain does this--replaying snips of memories to associate them--you perceive and experience them: that's dreams. When you wake up, the actual memories have been properly associated and attached, but the many "clips" weren't actually related. Your mind tries to relate things together into narratives, because that's generally how we best recall things. You remember how to navigate to a place by recalling a little story of how you get there. When you wake up, the brain starts trying to put those snips into a sensible order. You start to construct a narrative that links those clips together into a weird story of the dream you had.

Or you don't! If the brain can't find the links, or if you just have other things to think about as you wake up, then the faint echoes of the dream memories fade off and don't cohere into a narrative. That's all our continuity of thought and being really is: echoes.

This same effect is part of why false confessions are pretty easy to get. If you tell someone a good enough story about themselves, and especially if you can provide some evidence, then their mind will start making up appropriate details to fill in the narrative gaps. Your mind really wants there to be a cohesive story so it can link memories up properly.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Do you have a source? I'm not aware of this being a widely accepted explanation.

[–] Buddahriffic 2 points 10 months ago

I don't think it's consistent with lucid dreaming where you're actively taking part in an experience rather than passively experiencing memories being encoded and other parts of your brain believing it's a new experience.

It might be a part of what's going on, but I believe there's more to dreaming than that. Something involving the imagination/creative centres. If I had to guess, I'd say part of the reason we dream is the brain trying to learn by fitting random pieces of information together to see if it notices something new, though it's the subconscious that gains most of any benefit from that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago
[–] CodexArcanum 2 points 10 months ago

I don't, that's just my gathered understanding.

There is a lot more of course, I didn't endeavor to explain all of mental function and dreaming in one forum post. Lucid dreaming, and very creative or even psychedelic dreams, and sleepwalking; there are many additional elements.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The dreams usually have nothing to do with what happened with me today. Or ever.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

I've heard it said that the brain doesn't distinguish between a real event and an imagined one. Now before you poise your digits with acerbic comebacks, allow yourself a second to think that over.

When you dream, it's a form of reality for your brain. It believes what is unfolding is actually happening, your pulse may quicken, your heart rate can increase, you can even have a kind of discharge from your male parts if it is realistic enough.

Of course all sweeping generalizations have exceptions and I'm not saying I don't see how the brain makes clear distinctions between dreams and waking states. What I'm saying is, BOTH dreaming and waking experiences are all parts of what we call "reality." The dream state is real enough to make our body react according to what is going on our heads.

Just something to think about. The above statement was read to me by a piano teacher who was endeavoring to show me how imagination can make something reality, how thinking about the mood of a piece could make me a better piano player by utiliziing internal imagery.

[–] Rhynoplaz 6 points 10 months ago

Most nights I don't even know that I dreamed. (Im guessing I did, but I have no memory of it)

Other times I get short clips. For example, I might remember I was at my old high school with Hulk Hogan, and at some point the room was full of roaches, but how any of that fits together is completely lost.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We forget much of it but its still in our head somewhere. Theres been so many times a dream reminds me about another dream and act as a sequel of sorts. Days to years back. How much storage do we really have up here?

Could be that dreams arent stored at all, that if dreams are just random neurons following random-ish paths then they occasionally they hit the same pathway again and replay stuff, maybe?

[–] echoplex21 2 points 10 months ago

Yes if I make an effort to remember a dream or if it was very eventful, I see myself having a sequel in some way later on. Sometimes there’s been cases where I had the dream continue once I feel back asleep. Had a recurring figure in my dream once that was pretty creepy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As with most brain questions, nobody knows exactly.

One theory for the purpose of it, is to prevent us from confusing things we dreamed about with things that actually happened.

Edit: Lol, this always gets downvoted, but it's the truth. We know nothing about the brain; almost all the studies that get reported on are basically this.

[–] someguy3 4 points 10 months ago

For me it's gone before I open my eyes. I remember I dreamt vividly, but it's gone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

This is a somewhat personal theory, not something I know science to confirm, but I imagine, we evolved to have dreams, because they help us play out situations that might come up similarly in the future.

So, maybe you won't ever actually be in underpants in school, but you might still get into an embarassing situation and then know how to laugh it off.

So, the learnings from those dreams, those have to be remember. But the 'simulated' situations in those dreams, they would be bad to remember, because they never actually happened. So, it's also advantageous for survival to not remember them, which is why we generally evolved to not do so.

[–] corey389 2 points 10 months ago

Sometimes awake I can't tell the difference between dreams and reality. I'll have a dream of something and later day week whenever I was like I've been there or done that, Then I'm not sure if it was a dream or real life.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Short term memory vs long term memory.

That's why some people keep dream journals by their bed, because if you do something with that information right away once awake, you'll probably commit it to long-term memory.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

When you put something into short term memory, like reading this text, you remember this much better than the dream.