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If your idea of taking the party back is “voting independent in the general” I think you have absolutely no idea how elections and parties work. You’re throwing your vote away. You wanna change the party? Run in or work for local elections. Build from the bottom up, not the top down.
Or just whine and throw your vote away.
What is hard to understand about this?
The way to get the most votes is a younger progressive candidate.
How is saying the party should get as much votes as possible "whining"?
Is it because a younger progressive candidate isn't who you want?
Tough shit
40% of the electorate is gen Z or Millenials.
And the majority of over 45 wants trump
You're arguing against doing what the bulk of the Dem party wants, but some how I'm the one whining for wanting better than a coin flip chance to deal with trump anymore?
What the fuck is the logic you're using for this shit?
No it’s because voting for a progressive third party candidate in the general election for federal office
It’s mastubatory whining. You get to claim that anyone who cares about actual outcomes is somehow less pure than you while you are absolved of any of the responsibilities of your vote. You wanna pretend voting third party for president helps? Bully for you. It fucking doesn’t help progressives, it helped Trump get elected and it will do it again.
That's not the discussion.
The discussion is a younger more progressive candidate is what the base wants, so why aren't we giving it to them?
40% of this electorate is either Gen Z or Millenial.
And over 45 years old is going to trump.
So why isn't the DNC going after all those voters so that we can beat Trump?
Stop thinking about if you're right and how people under 40 are "whining" and start thinking about the best way to beat Trump:
Running a popular candidate. Whether that means Biden starts listening to his voters and becomes more popular, or running someone less than 20 years over retirement age.
I just don't understand the logic of:
If moderates are the "adults in the room" why are they the ones who won't entertain the idea of voting for something a little different they want if it guarantees victory?
Why not just do that?
Nah see you keep not addressing the point. Voting for a progressive third party in the general will not get you a progressive win. It won’t give the Democratic Party something to think about. It won’t show them that the voters want progressives. It will get you a Republican win. Somehow you’re still trying to dodge that reality. You build change from the bottom up, not the top down.
So are you just under the impression that we're not only stuck with Biden, there's nothing the Dem base can ever do to ever change his mind?
So the only option besides letting Biden do only whatever he wants, is voting third party?
Because I don't understand why Biden supporters skip the step where it's a possibility Biden listens to his base.
Centrists are Biden's base, and they don't want him broadening that base by listening to people to their left (and only their left.)
The Democratic voters base is Gen Z and Millennials, who make up 40% of the electorate. Over 45 which is pretty much everyone else is solidly trump.
That's one of the big problems, the Dems dont understand who they represent.
Yes, but you said Biden's base. Not Democrats' base. The one is a subset of the other.