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[–] givesomefucks -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You get to claim that anyone who cares about actual outcomes is somehow less pure than you

That's not the discussion.

The discussion is a younger more progressive candidate is what the base wants, so why aren't we giving it to them?

40% of this electorate is either Gen Z or Millenial.

And over 45 years old is going to trump.

So why isn't the DNC going after all those voters so that we can beat Trump?

Stop thinking about if you're right and how people under 40 are "whining" and start thinking about the best way to beat Trump:

Running a popular candidate. Whether that means Biden starts listening to his voters and becomes more popular, or running someone less than 20 years over retirement age.

I just don't understand the logic of:

This demographic wants progress, but fuck em we control the party so they have to vote for us. It would be crazy for us to give them what they want and guarantee victory. So we'll call them babies and blame them when our unpopular candidates loses.

If moderates are the "adults in the room" why are they the ones who won't entertain the idea of voting for something a little different they want if it guarantees victory?

Why not just do that?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nah see you keep not addressing the point. Voting for a progressive third party in the general will not get you a progressive win. It won’t give the Democratic Party something to think about. It won’t show them that the voters want progressives. It will get you a Republican win. Somehow you’re still trying to dodge that reality. You build change from the bottom up, not the top down.

[–] givesomefucks -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Voting for a progressive third party in the general will not get you a progressive win.

So are you just under the impression that we're not only stuck with Biden, there's nothing the Dem base can ever do to ever change his mind?

So the only option besides letting Biden do only whatever he wants, is voting third party?

Because I don't understand why Biden supporters skip the step where it's a possibility Biden listens to his base.

[–] Ensign_Crab -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Because I don’t understand why Biden supporters skip the step where it’s a possibility Biden listens to his base.

Centrists are Biden's base, and they don't want him broadening that base by listening to people to their left (and only their left.)

[–] givesomefucks 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The Democratic voters base is Gen Z and Millennials, who make up 40% of the electorate. Over 45 which is pretty much everyone else is solidly trump.

That's one of the big problems, the Dems dont understand who they represent.

[–] Ensign_Crab -4 points 7 months ago

The Democratic voters base is Gen Z and Millennials, who make up 40% of the electorate.

Yes, but you said Biden's base. Not Democrats' base. The one is a subset of the other.