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The irony here is you're the one who doesn't understand the situation we're actually in.
The house is on fire and you're telling people "Don't worry guys, if we just stay in the kitchen there's no fire here so it'll be ok. It's vitally important everyone stay in the kitchen, don't listen to that extremist firefighter telling you to leave the building. Quick, someone grab that sieve, we can use it to splash water from the sink on the fire, we can save the house if we all just grab a sieve!"
Cool little analogy. But there’s no house and no fire. And I’m not telling anyone anything other than not to listen to propagandists that are suggesting that not voting is an expression of anything other than supporting a Trump victory.
Everyone knows what all of you are about. Check your ratios man. You lost this battle.
Because no updoots means you're wrong and bad and should go away 😠
It’s more about be a socialist/far leftist and having your abject ignorance downvoted while on a socialist/far left platform.
It’s the equivalent of a MAGA clown being downvoted on Truth Social.
Fix your shit.
So, lemmy.world and all of its federated communities are far left now? And you want to talk about ignorance?
Believe it or not, internet points are not always very meaningful.
LEMMY is a far left social media site dude. Maybe take the time to know the thing you’re actively using before you think to argue against it.
You realize that people can also go vote for Trump too, right? Do you understand that? Do you understand that "go vote" does not mean your man is the target?
Taking no action in a genocidal cult-for-a-government is better than taking action for what either side believes is the right side.
Back off of fascism for a second and respect people's autonomy. None of us asked for be a part of this half-baked, misguided mechanism, but we have a choice to stop using it. You have no right to say otherwise.
A no-vote IS a vote.
ROFL! Every election year there people like you. And every year, they get more and more stubborn and unreasonable.
THIS is what you’re getting with your non vote.
Did you really just link me to NBC news?
How are so many people still plugged in to this nonsense?
Do people really still believe that space age nations with access to AI, nuclear, and semiconductor technologies should follows the dramas of individual human leaders?
Does this primitive practice really, actually appeal to people? Are you people actually real? You actually care about the sayings and doings of clearly theatrical and phony leaders?
There is no such thing as a leader of 300 million people, you understand this, right?
The dog and pony show of elections is a theater of puppets orchestrated by a global elite that owns the US government and most governments of the world.
Do you know how easy it is to capture the soul of a single meat and bones, weak human entity with a family and a physical time and place?
Do you know how easy it is to capture 10,000 souls? How many representatives and senators do you have again?
ALL of them are captured.
Most with money.
The more stubborn ones, with blackmail. Some of them are so principled and stubborn they would rather die than compromise their values. But those ones have sons, daughters, husbands and wives, mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, and while they won't compromise for their own lives, they do compromise for the lives of those they love.
You have no clue, do you, the reality of this world? You have no idea of the evil hidden in plain sight within the hearts of man?
Your "government" fell a very long time ago.
I give up. It’s pointless talking with you people. Go ahead and not vote thinking tote going to fix things.
See for totaled how that’s fixed thing s in the past- because every fucking election year, there’s people like you pulling this shit.
You people love talking about status quo….
There it is. YOU are part of status quo. Sooo… don’t vote man. Make that chance you want to see by doing nothing. Someone is getting elected without your involvement.
Blocking you now because i Don’t deal with unreasonable people and I don’t believe they deserve to be heard.
Your political strategy has failed though, again and again and again. Why the hell should anyone listen to you when people following your prescription in the past, is what produced the very situation we find ourselves in?
Listen-
If you don’t vote, someone is still getting elected. Because that is how elections work. Not voting doesn’t make the bad things go away.
And folding your arms and pouting, hoping that that the other guy winning sends a message will only end VERY poorly for a lot of people- and the message will fall on deaf ears. Because that is how it works. You’re not NEARLY as relevant as you think you are as a collective. Because you’ve already been counted as a non-vote. They know every election year that SJWs aren’t going to vote. It’s already factored in.
But if you DO vote, you can help ensure that something exponentially worse doesn’t happen.
Then, over the next four years you can get off your ass and actually do something that will matter come 2028. Or, you could just do as your lot does, and not give a fuck until the election year and then suddenly become outraged by whatever is happening then.
Either way… your call. You’re not making the waves you think you are. You never do. Remember Bernie? How’d that work for you? And you people were actually TRYING then. Hell, I donated several hundred dollars to his campaign when I could.
You’ll learn, or you won’t.
Look, it's really important that you understand this; what you're doing right now, this political strategy, is an abject failure. People have done things just how you're arguing, have gone along with it for literally decades it it has failed. So the only reason I can think that you continue is because you want that failure to continue.
Also, you can't on one hand write an entire essay of a response to something and then claim it's no big deal and "not making waves". Remember Clinton? How'd that work out for you?
Your suggestion to fix this failure of a system is literally "do nothing". Please try to recognise that: You are advocating for fighting the status quo by doing nothing.
It will not work. If you want change you need to take action. Not voting is the exact opposite of attempting to change things. Use the influence you have to push for a change in the right direction.
Who said do nothing? I'm saying your suggestion of continually rewarding corporate dems with power has failed.
If your political strategy has brought us to the point where we're literally condoning genocide with our vote then it's a failure. You understand that, right? If the Chosen One the Dem establishment has forced on us is nevk and neck with Donald Trump then that establishment is a failure and continuing to reward them with power for these pied piper bullshit strategies is not going to lead to progress.
They've been doing it for forty years and all we've gotten for it is a tightening noose around our freedoms as they jerk off to corporate lobby money and insider trading, playing grab ass with fascists.
That's your "progress".
And your solution to the problem is literally not vote, which is doing exactly nothing. I have a really hard time seeing how you can expect yourself actively not influencing the system to somehow influence the system.
It's literally the only way you can can communicate that you will not play the game they've rigged. And yes, that has an influence whether you are willing to admit it or not.
Because here's what's going to happen if Biden gets his next term; Democrats will take that as a signal that they can be complicit in literal genocide and voters will still vote for them as long as they keep propping up worse options on the otherside. And so they will keep propping up a worse option and acting with complete disregard to their base.
You are not going to "turn things around" at some point in the vague future, there is not going to be "slow, generational progress", there's going to continue to be a choice between Fascist and Fascist Lite because Fascist Lite understands they do not need to change anything about how they're doing things in order to win elections.
Is it a terrible and costly choice to call the Dems on their game of chicken? Yup. But that's where your politics have put us. It's degraded our democracy to the point that our only remaining choice to stop the vehicle from going off a cliff is to veer it into a tree.
We could've hit the brakes earlier, there were plenty of opportunities and warning signs where the road was going, but people like you kept saying "oh no, pressing the brakes isn't viable, the corporate media told me that brakes are extremist. Just keep going this next mile and then we can slow down a little after. Just go around this one last bend and it'll turn into a U-turn."
Your politics don't work and the threats and condescension have simply lost the effect, I cannot emphasize this enough; it's not a viable political tactic any longer. If you think it's that important that Biden win then you need to be doing everything you can to influence him to radically change his behavior, not sitting here trying to convince other people to deny what they see with their eyes and hear with their ears and play make-believe with you that "just a little genocide" is ok for Democrats to support. Enough of the trolley problem bullshit, no one is buying it.
I never said the current system is great: But given the choice between driving off a cliff and veering into a tree, your response seems to be to not tough the wheel and letting whatever happens happen.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that someone will win the upcoming election. By not voting, you're leaving it up to everyone else to choose.
By all means: Something needs to be done to fix the broken system, but saying that we should have pumped the brakes long ago, and then doing nothing about the most immediate issue - who the next president will be - doesn't help. We need to ensure that we get some president that doesn't persecute political opponents if we want to have the option of electing an actually good president in the future.
By all means: Start or join a movement to get better candidates in the future, vote for other candidates in local elections and primaries to lift them up. The fight you're talking about has to be fought long before the final two candidates are locked into the ballot, and complaining that it's lost won't effect who wins in the end.
You’re part of the problem, not the solution. Single issue nonvoters got us Trump once already. Now you’re about to do it again.
And just like in 2016, you’ll all disappear when it comes time to own up to it.
THIS is what you’re getting with your non vote.
Right, instead we.... should hop right through the meat grinder door? Why, because quicker death?