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Even from people that never lived in a communist state

edit: im 17 and i hate communism

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[–] meekah 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

I'd definitely describe myself as a communist, but I do realize we never had a proper communist state on this planet, just authoritarian states that acted like communists to win over the workers. Capitalism needs to be regulated as fuck to create a fair society, so for now, I strive for socialism, because I understand going straight to communism probably won't work.

Sorry if this was uncalled for, I just wanted to show there are sensible communists who don't excuse Russia and China for the shit they're pulling. But neither do I excuse the west for a lot of shit we are pulling.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Those states would agree that they have not achieved communism, and they would agree that they are authoritarian, namely the dictatorship of the proletariat. Lenin, 1917, The State and Revolution

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Let's just skip the euphemisms and use 'dictatorship of the bourgeoisie'

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is a euphemism for dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, and it is bourgeois democracy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Bourgeois democracy is a separate term. It can describe something like European nations voting between which bourgeoisie will rule the proletariat. The more you know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The more you know.

Even NATOPedia thinks they’re synonyms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_bourgeoisie

The only time they’re not synonyms is when the capitalist class finds kayfabe democracy insufficient, at which point they deploy fascism. That’s what’s been developing in many Western capitalist states around the world in recent years. The working class is more and more agitated by their deteriorating conditions under neoliberalism. Even the petit bourgeois feel threatened. The far-right surge isn’t organic, though: the capitalist class fuels it to maintain their position.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You scratch some accuratish points now that the comment is redone from the pre-edit slip-up.

Let's sum it all to the audience: Western capitalist states are being agitated with far-right surges by the Eastern capitalist states to cause internal instability with have the same foreign sources, and yes, targeting to mislead the working classes. Even the "moderate" right wingers let that happen because they'd rather have fascists in power than lose capitalism.

Basically capitalists are infighting between the previous topic of bourgeois democracy & bourgeois dictatorship camps. East and West have integrated fascism in their systems, just with slightly different methods. Western capitalism that voting makes a difference, eastern capitalism lies that their dictatorships are something else and just a facade of fascism.

Both are pretty obvious 'open secrets' / kayfabe. Even the states don't act like this with straight faces and many from the populations see through it all (and displays fascist state lie parrots as pretty comical — but it just bolsters the suffering). The critical mass is still in theater mode, which is enough for the oligarchies as it prevents revolutionary action.

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