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The audacity of a redcap telling anyone else "cults gonna cult." One of the most insane cases of projection I've ever seen.
As a person that is not going to vote for trump, I am the one that is not in a cult. And as a person that knows real estate very well, I fully understand what happened with the new york real estate case and how much bullshit it is. The problem is that you are beholden to your side and you dont see what is happening. I really do want you guys to see what is happening, but you are blinded by ideology, and its literally destorying they country.
Except that he is not being given leeway and is being prosecuted because he is running for president. And that doesnt even get into the different treatment of Jan 6th people vs George Floyd riot people.
Thousands of BLM protestors have been arrested: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/22/fact-check-thousands-black-lives-matter-protesters-arrested-2020/6816074001/. I didn't have to look very hard to find this. It's simple - break the law, get arrested. Keep pushing your agenda though.
EXACTLY! Now do the next check where you see how many were convicted. This is where you dont respond because you will see its less than jan 6th (from all the sources I have seen).
It looks like there weren't many. I think everyone that committed a crime during the BLM protests should be held accountable. And I'm glad that the people that broke into the capitol on Jan 6 are being held accountable. Surely you agree with that?
Thank you, I appreciate that you seem to be reasonable, and I do agree. So we see the government throw the book at the jan 6th people, and the george floyd rioters get much less prosecution even though they did much more damage and there was much higher loss of life. Do you see how they are unequal prosecution?
They were unequal events. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by comparing the two, but in my eyes breaking into the capitol building with the intention of overthrowing the government is a significantly worse crime and I'm glad the people responsible are facing justice.
I'll say it again, all people responsible for a crime should be prosecuted. But stop trying to tell me apples are oranges.
It's a Red Herring. They don't know what they're talking about so they're fumbling around for any talking point they can find and pretend it's relevant. Don't waste your time.
Except that they didnt have the intention of overthrowing the government as can be seen by 98% of the things they were charged and convicted of. And even if you think there was the intent and ability to do so, the vast majority were non-violent and did no signficant crime.
Crime is crime, so apples and apples. Why were the crimes of the riots not prosecuted?
"That's why I'm offering nothing but vague statements and empty platitudes to show you what's really happening. Facts and actual arguments would just get in the way."
I directly mentioned the New York case about trumps real estate as something I am very knowledgable about, but sure I am super vague... Have you ever talked to someone in a cult? That is the reason I dont typically go deep.
Cool, and what specifically did you say about the New York case about how it is a problem? Did you share any of that knowledge?
I saw your post and thought "Interesting, maybe there is an angle on the New York case I am unaware of", but you failed to actually say anything other than your displeasure.
Ignore this idiot. He has no critical thinking skills and is so far up his own ass you’ll eventually give up and he’ll just think he won another internet argument.
The entire case is nonsense. To be specific, he didnt do anything wrong and it was exactly what every other serious investor does, and its not fraud, its literally just advocating your position. I can expand on this if you wish, but I dont write gigantic comments because they become unreadable and wastes everyones time.
The law seems to say otherwise.
"They are all criminals" is not the defense you think it is.
It's literally fraud.
So because a government person said its true you just believe them? And they are all not criminals and its not fraud, its literally perfectly normal.
So because some rando on the internet said it's not true you expect me to just believe them? People on the internet say the Earth is flat too, I'm not just going to take them at their word. You've presented no evidence other than "IS NOT!"
Feel free to watch the Kevin OLeary guy talk about it too, he is a non partisan real estate person not a government official with an agenda, and he can go in a lot more detail than a post does.
I dont know what to tell you, if you have a direct question about the case I can answer that, I have no evidence to give because nothing they did was wrong.
Right, I'm sure some rich asshole (the one that makes other rich assholes say "what an asshole" if you've ever watched shark tank) is completely neutral in his stance that "rich assholes can say whatever they want and it's totally legal."
Also not a lawyer. Nor an American as far as I'm aware. So I don't know why I would trust him to be an expert on the American Legal system instead of, say, the judge on the case who has thoroughly reviewed all the evidence.
Billionaires are not your friend. You don't have to defend them I would strongly suggest not taking advice from them.
Okay: What are the specific laws Trump was found guilty of breaking, why do they not apply in this case, and how were they misinterpreted to get the guilty verdict?
Gotcha dont trust a rich guy but trust the government...
The crime was probably called "Fraud", and again, he did nothing wrong. People dont know how the financing system works, and think that its fraud to claim a property is worth more than the government thinks its worth. There was no party harmed, and it was all a normal interaction.
So much for being "Very knowledgeable about the case" then...
I dont know legalese, but if that is the excuse you have to escape an argument that you should never have gotten into then so be it.
What argument? You still haven't presented an argument other than "Is Not!" Which is so juvenile it doesn't even need to be addressed.
You're the one who has presented yourself as "very knowledgeable on the case". I would guess Trump's legal team presented a defence more substantial than "NUH-UH" that you could have at least shared. But you don't know what the actual legal argument of the defense was, nor the actual charges (other than "probably fraud"). If you don't know the "legalise" how do you know it was interpreted wrong?
No wonder you think Kevin O'Leary is an expert on the case: you know less than he does and O'Leary barely knows anything about the case.
I did as you asked, gave you a direct question, and was met with a shrug. You've made your ignorance on the case clear and I will not waste any more time seeing if you have a novel view on the case to consider. You are just parroting the billionaire taking points I've already heard.
The argument is that it was a normal financing process and there was no victim or person/corporation that claimed to be wronged. People are allowed to claim their property is worth whatever they wish. Its really that simple and obvious. That is why I say you dont know anything about the case because you only have the standard NPC insults.
Not on their taxes. I can't claim my property is worth $1 to avoid paying taxes on it.
And if that is true you have done nothing to explain the case better to me or anyone else who might read this thread.
The internet is full of idiots who think the Earth is flat, or that Kevin O'Leary is an expert in the American Legal system. You're not going to convince anyone with "just trust me bro."
You are are right about taxes, but that is not what he did. The government get to assign the value for property taxes and the property owner has the right to contest them. Also property taxes dont actually reflect the value of the property, and that gets very skewed on higher value properties.
If you have things you think he did wrong then I can tell you why I disagree, but I cant just argue without being pointed in the direction you think I am wrong.
The things he was charged with.
And like I said, it was normal perfectly legal things. If you want to get more specific then feel free, or if you want a more in depth explaination feel free to listen to the evil billionaire that you hate for reasons.
And like I said: "it was legal, trust me bro" is not a legal defense.
The evidence and arguments presented by the prosecution. You should be well familiar with them seeing as you know the case so well.
I already told you these things, you can claim your property is worth whatever you want, they said you cant. And as I already explained property tax does not reflect the actual value, they pretended it does.
There you go, I just told you the states arguments but you keep not wanting to listen. But sure, it was totally not a targeted prosecution.
He signed a legal business document saying "I believe the property is worth X". I signed another legal business document saying "I believe the property is worth Y" (notably not X).
Telling one person one thing and another person the opposite is textbook lying.
Lying in signed legal documents is fraud.
Your "knowledge" of the case clearly only comes from what Faux News has told you, which makes you less knowledgeable than someone who has been living under a rock.
So then anyone that is selling their house for more than the property tax value is committing fraud? Great, now show me the tens of thousands of people that have done this that has been prosecuted.
Check out this fraud! The property is listed at $43 million and the tax assessment is $1.1 million, the fraud is insane! This person is in New York, they can sieze all their assets!
None of the documents in the case have to do with selling the property.
If you were as familiar with the case as you claim you would know that. You would also be able to cite arguments from the case itself, not unrelated Red Herrings.
Even worse, they sold houses for more than the assessed value AND they had loans on them for more than the assessed value! That is double fraud! But I get it, you dont know what is going on so you will keep saying "BUT YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT THE CASE!!!" when you are the one that thinks applying for a loan and property tax values are the same.
And I see you didnt name anyone else in New York that has been convicted of this "FRAUD!!!!!".