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It was never legal because all pornography was illegal first. And unless you want to go back to pre-Christian Rome, that's how it's been for centuries.
I'm still waiting for your solid reasoning, because so far, your 'reasoning' has been 'you can totally do it.'
I don't think you are trying very hard to see beyond your defeatist position. The revenge porn example should land close enough to the mark for you to see that things that were legal can be made illegal. Even types of porn can be made illegal. So because it has literally been done before, yes you can totally do it.
Also yes the centuries ago interpretation is fine. Still shows taking something that was legal and making illegal.
I'm sorry, but "pornography was legal in the pre-Christian Roman Empire, therefore we can stop deepfake porn now" is your so-called solid reasoning?
No and you are not engaging honestly at this point.
Since I have requested you to give me your solid reasoning multiple times and you haven't, and since you also put words in my mouth, you claiming I'm the one not engaging honestly is laughable.
You are usually better than this. I did give you a perfectly applicable recent example of a type of porn being made illegal but you are ignoring it and misrepresenting my argument, after getting touchy about words being put in your mouth. You requesting multiple times and then choosing to ignore the valid response is a failing on your part.
I missed this recent type example. If you mean child pornography, again, pornography being illegal predates child pornography. I didn't say child pornography existed in Ancient Rome. It didn't. It's a relatively new concept, mostly due to the invention of photography. There are virtually no examples that predate it.
So your example was not a solid one as you claim.
Also, I am "touchy" about words being put in my mouth because I don't like people lying about what I say. Maybe you're okay with libel, but I am not.
No I don't mean cp. I mean revenge porn, like I've mentioned multiple times. Are you reading what you are disagreeing with?
"So your example was not a solid one as you claim." If you're going to act haughty you ought to at least be right.
When was revenge porn legal in the first place? Do you mean pretty much immediately before it was identified, named and codified? So like two years?
You think that Polaroids that were supposed to stay private were not shared? Thanks for finally reading the posts btw. Also what does pretending that revenge porn only existed for two years get you in this case? Taking it as true, it shows that a rapid response to recently emergent social issue can occur and that laws can be enacted to outlaw the offensive but previously legal porn. It makes my point even more applicable.
And you think this rapid response is going to happen?
https://www.axios.com/2023/12/19/118-congress-bills-least-unproductive-chart
You can call that defeatist, I call it realistic. The Republicans aren't even passing laws giving them everything that they want that Democrats hand to them on a silver platter.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republicans-kill-border-bill-sign-trumps-strength-mcconnells-waning-in-rcna137477
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/republicans--are-killing-a-tax-cut-203349220.html
And you think some sort of AI fake media law would even get out of committee? And it would somehow stop websites generating such fake content in Russia from disseminating it in the U.S.?
Outlawing cp doesn't stop it from being produced or hosted in other countries so we should give up on that too? Or should we sensibly keep a law against it on the books, build an international broad consensus to work against it, and apply political pressure to the countries that won't cooperate?
"There is plenty to be done at this point. Not being able to fix it 100% doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to fix it at all."
"It might not be immediate, perfect, or without resistance but it can be done"
Republicans are shitheads for sure but if nonconsensual ai porn presented to them with the right degree of moral panic they could accidentally do the right thing.
They aren't achieving anything. So why you think they might accidentally achieve something I don't know.
And maybe deepfake porn would be something they care about (although I doubt it), but they sure don't care about deepfake political images.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/25/23697328/biden-reelection-rnc-ai-generated-attack-ad-deepfake
So you feel this way about all progressive policies? Like gun control? In the face of opposition don't try.
In the current climate? Yes. It would be purely performative and a waste of taxpayer money.
So given the purely obstructionist nature of Republicans what is left for Dems to do?
Work on getting more Democrats elected. Because there is very little they will be able to achieve legislatively at the moment.
Hard to work on getting more democrats elected when the proposed platform is we won't do anything because the republicans will just say no.
"Won't" is not the same as "can't."
For winning voters it is.
Trying to do things and failing every time attracts voters?
Over not trying at all, yes.
I don't see why "we're wasting your money" is better than "we're fighting to get a majority so we can finally pass legislation."
Because "we are wasting your money" is false. They are either getting paid to try to advance progressive issues or they are getting paid to sit in their asses and promise to try once they have enough people. That they fail every time it's false too. Also assuming that putting up no fight doesn't hurt things is incorrect. Just letting the issue go and letting it become the new normal makes it harder to gain momentum on later.
You think drafting a bill is as easy and cost-free as just sitting there and doing nothing? Really?
You think that drafting no bills and promising to do it later is going to win more seats and not lose them?
Now you're changing the subject from what you just claimed. This is what you said:
Are you going to admit that drafting a bill costs more taxpayer money than not doing so?
Because just hiring legal experts alone, which should absolutely be done before drafting a bill, costs more money than not hiring them.
Dude the topic has been drifting for quite a while. You going to act like "getting more Dems" doesn't have a cost? You going to admit all the things you've blown past? Your proposal is to have them not do a major component of their job and instead focus on flipping seats blue. The money they get paid as elected officials gets paid either way. Either course of action costs money, doing the proper prep work for bills or campaigning. That famously so-cheap-it's-near-as-free campaigning. They will need to not only justify to their own voters keeping them elected during your do nothing policy but also convince other voters to elect more do-nothings.
Hold yourself to your own standards.