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I'm a little older and found my path to atheism earlier than atheist youtubers.
I remember absolutely hating Ayn Rand and thinking "Why would an atheist think the best thing is to be completely selfish and shit on community?" Then Richard Dawkins, who I had previously respected, started running his fucking mouth, and then Sam Harris came along and shat things up some more, and then came the edgy youtube atheists.
For fucks sake man, made me legit embarrassed to admit my atheism for a while.
Sam Harris seems like he was perfectly engineered in a lab to be the first step on the fascist pipeline.
Sam Harris is what stupid people think smart people sound like.
I listened to a bunch of his podcasts because my roommate (who was a fucking moron) kept telling me how much of a genius he is. After a while I was like “this is drivel from someone who thinks they’re a way deeper thinker than they are. This isn’t intellectualism, this is the same mentality as people who believe in healing crystals with extra steps.”
And don’t get me started on how stupid that white supremacy arc he did was.
I went down the r/atheism rabbit hole when Reddit was new. It hit at just the right time for me, when I was getting into an angry phase with how much religion seemed to dictate things in the country that I didn't agree with. Then I dipped out a few years later when it just got too cringey and ironically holier-than-thou.
That said, I remember seeing a lot of Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins in the earlier 2000s and I don't recall acting that seemed particularly bad. What happened?
Dawkins and Harris both struggled with Islamaphobia and hiding behind a critique of Islam that leaned heavily into racism, a charge which both Dawkins and Harris were upset about. Yet... in my opinion it's not a charge that is incorrect, especially as it was their works which laid the groundwork for the "edgy atheist youtuber" movement that "somehow" manifested itself as right-wing.
For examples, here is when Richard Dawkins basically said that letting kids read supernatural fiction was dangerous because it made them less likely to understand the difference between fantasy and reality:
And here is a really good breakdown from Daniel Schultz on Sam Harris' blind spots that reveal his critiques of Islam to be less biased than Harris thinks they are (it's also highly amusing that the referenced exchange was with Glenn Greenwald of all people). Emphasis is mine:
When I was in college I met an exchange student from Palestine (he had to actually say he was from Jordan, but he was originally from Palestine, he lives in Jordan now), and I quickly learned that not everyone from an Islamic culture is some backwards radical religious nut. It might have behooved either Dawkins or Harris to actually meet someone from such a culture like my friend. My friend also eventually became an atheist, but he also struggled and grappled with the fact that this would be viewed damningly in his home country. The point being he was thoughtful, smart, and was able to come to his own conclusions about life, just like I was, despite being from wildly different cultures. His culture did not make him "backward" or "iron-age."