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Did your Roku TV decide to strong arm you into giving up your rights or lose your FULLY FUNCTIONING WORKING TV? Because mine did.

It doesn't matter if you only use it as a dumb panel for an Apple TV, Fire stick, or just to play your gaming console. You either agree or get bent.

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[–] sebinspace 69 points 9 months ago (3 children)

In my experience, people that use the phrase “you’re part of the problem” so loosely are often the most miserable jackasses anyone ever allowed into society.

People just want neat things. It’s not wrong to want neat things.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's not wrong, but it's just terribly short-sighted. You're giving greed-crazed companies total control over a device that you own and nobody else should be able to touch.

Shiny things come at a cost. Sure, it may look convenient and super cool to have all these features, but it's important to understand the trade-offs. And this is just the tip of the iceberg - we don't even know what kinds of malice these companies will think of 5-10 years from now when these machines are even more widespread and probably come with even more invasive anti-user hardware capabilities.

It's not wrong... it's just very very naïve.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Most people don't get that this is even possible until it bites them in the ass like this.

Certainly my own parents wouldn't think to try and find a "dumb" TV in this market or to not connect the damn thing to the internet like it tells you when you power it on. They bought a TV that lets them watch Netflix.

By the same token, I don't except my fucking microwave to suddenly require that I accept a ToS in order to nuke a potato, or to suddenly start showing me ads in increasing amounts a year or more after I bought and paid for it.

Users aren't the problem. Shitty companies and a lack of strong legislation against this (or legislators being for it) are the problem. Nobody should ever be presented with a 50 page ever-changing EULA for a product they've paid for to access common functionality.

They're not a problem. They're not even naive. They're just not savvy on all things about a given technology especially when it comes up aspects of legal arguments on such.

[–] sfgifz -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

No ones asking you to stick some shiny thing up your ass and walk around to see how it fits. If you don't like these services don't use them, for most of us the convinience of an Internet connected device that let's you stream content published to the Internet is a value.

[–] Bahnd 1 points 9 months ago

The issue is that the market has spoken. People want cool neat things and they want them cheap. Companies were able to lower the price of major devices by including all the always-online stuff as it generated revenue after the initial purchase.

Now everything comes with smart shit wether you want it or not, and for those that dont, the product they wish to have dosent exist or is more expensive. So... the argument that the "naiveity" of the masses is making things worse is valid.

[–] Reygle 0 points 9 months ago

I agree. That was why I originally bought the damned thing. Once I saw what it was doing on my network I decided "nope, that's enough from you" and reset it. I'm not saying people who also bought it and continue to use it as intended are dumb, I'm suggesting the device itself and what it does is evil.