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Michigan governor says not voting for Biden over Gaza war ‘supports second Trump term’
(www.theguardian.com)
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Whatever you want to call it, you go act out in the primary all you like, vote for Barney the dinosaur for all I care. But when it comes to November, you put on your big kid pants, suck it up, and vote for Biden, otherwise you're as guilty as any other MAGA fanatic.
So….
We can’t agree that genocide is bad?
Once again: you are talking about a possible future- a very likely future. Protesting the genocide of Gaza’s isn’t about what might happen in the future. The protests are about what is happening now.
And what our current, active government is doing to support it. “First they came for the Gazans, and I did nothing because Biden was better than Trump” is not something I want to express later.
Our government is complicit in genocide. Period. It doesn’t matter if the current president is better than the alternative. It’s still complicit in genocide- and because it ostensibly represents me- I have an obligation to tell it to knock it off.
You, on the other hand, are using your right to free speech to enable and defend genocide.
You asked me for a favor, and I'm not inclined to do you any favors until you commit to voting for Biden in the general. After that, we can talk.
Why does saying genocide is bad require a favor for you to do?
That was the other person, not be. I don't do favors for fascist supporters, of which I'm now convinced they are one.
“Do what I tell you and then we can talk”
you sound like a republican. You can’t even agree that genocide is bad and you expect me to actually agree to do what you say as if you’re some divinely appointed prophet? Fuck. That.
I'm not doing you any favors while there's still some question as to whether or not you're supporting fascism. If you refuse to vote for Biden in the general, that's exactly what you're doing. So here's the opportunity to clear the air about how you're going to vote.
You're not gonna admit that genocide is bad because you don't believe it is. I'm voting for Biden.
After all the times you refused to say genocide was bad, you say this.
Some of us don't need to have stupid arbitrary demands met in order to say it.
Yeah, some people have to kiss the ring in order for you to reluctantly condemn genocide.
No sinner is venial enough to deserve a political conversation with someone who will only condemn genocide after their arbitrary bullshit demands are met.
Lord knows I don't. I'm out.
You’re concerned I’m maybe supporting fascism…. Fascists just love their genocide too.
So maybe since you’re so concerned about fascism- check the goddam mirror.
And once again: the protests aren’t about the goddamn election. It’s about the American government supporting genocide, and speaking against that.
Oh, another thing fascists do: silence dissent. They also love loyalty and purity tests.
You don’t have to do me any favors you don’t want to do. But seriously; you want to persuade people… this isn’t the way.