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e; I wrote a better headline than the ABC editors decided to and excerpted a bit more

According to the poll, conducted using Ipsos' Knowledge Panel, 86% of Americans think Biden, 81, is too old to serve another term as president. That figure includes 59% of Americans who think both he and former President Donald Trump, the Republican front-runner, are too old and 27% who think only Biden is too old.

Sixty-two percent of Americans think Trump, who is 77, is too old to serve as president. There is a large difference in how partisans view their respective nominees -- 73% of Democrats think Biden is too old to serve but only 35% of Republicans think Trump is too old to serve. Ninety-one percent of independents think Biden is too old to serve, and 71% say the same about Trump.

Concerns about both candidates' ages have increased since September when an ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 74% of Americans thought Biden -- the oldest commander in chief in U.S. history -- was too old to serve another term as president, and 49% said the same about Trump.

Archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20240214133801/https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-americans-on-biden-age/story?id=107126589

Part that drew my eye,

The poll also comes days after the Senate failed to advance a bipartisan foreign aid bill with major new border provisions.

Americans find there is blame to go around on Congress' failure to pass legislation intended to decrease the number of illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border -- with about the same number blaming the Republicans in Congress (53%), the Democrats (51%) and Biden (49%). Fewer, 39%, blame Trump.

More Americans trust that Trump would do a better job of handling immigration and the situation at the border than Biden -- 44%-26% -- according to the poll.

So that bipartisan border bill stunt was terrible policy, and it doesn't seem to have done anything for the Democratic party politically

Can we please stop trying to compromise with fascists now?

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[–] go_go_gadget -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Then it's the moderates who are the problem. Not leftists or progressives.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

The moderate Democrats are probably the single largest voting bloc in the country. They don't get to be "the problem" in a Democracy. They're the base.

[–] hydrospanner 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well said.

This twerp is essentially saying "Everyone didn't give up what they wanted to give me what I wanted, so it's their fault if Trump wins because I didn't vote for Biden!"

This totally out of touch perspective and entitlement gives a bad look to all progressives.

Like...I totally get the frustration with the DNC but they're keeping their eyes on the prize here. If and when Trump eventually dies, I might be more sympathetic to a discussion about the progressive bloc holding out for a platform shift to the left, but as long as Trump is on the ballot, anyone not supporting him should be willing to put differences aside and unite against an existential threat.

This isn't 2012 where the Romney/Ryan ticket was simply running on a platform of conservatism...Trump is a different breed and has proven his disregard for our republic many times over.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Pretty much. I'm a progressive. Specifically, a socdem. I fully acknwledge that most people don't want what I want. The fact that one side is giving me a seat at the table and offering me some progress and concessions means the world to me.

and when Trump eventually dies, I might be more sympathetic to a discussion about the progressive bloc holding out for a platform shift to the left

I won't hold my breath, though. The Left is what... 13% of Democrats? If the Republicans fully died and the Democrats split, we Progressives would have to find allies to even win an election. Changing hearts takes time, and we've backpedaled a long way since the early 90's.

[–] go_go_gadget -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Then they can elect Biden in 2024 without my help. I'll be voting 3rd party.

[–] hydrospanner 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

To use a recent quote from these comments:

Isn't this an admission on your part that you believe progressives and leftists would rather lose to fascists than compromise with moderates?

[–] go_go_gadget -1 points 9 months ago

Yes. Except, we did compromise in 2020. And in 2012.

When was the last time the moderates compromised?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes. Despite your Trump vote, we will elect Biden and preserve this country.

[–] go_go_gadget -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I heard similar confidence in 2016. Good luck.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are you really bragging about your support of fascism now? Oh look, found the block button.

[–] go_go_gadget -1 points 9 months ago

You were just bragging about how Biden is going to win despite refusing to compromise with leftists as if it's something to be proud of. That ain't a flex my man. That's gross.

[–] Linkandluke 1 points 9 months ago

I agree with you on this at least. Given the choices between racism or any Democratic leader, we should unite behind the Democrat.