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e; I wrote a better headline than the ABC editors decided to and excerpted a bit more

According to the poll, conducted using Ipsos' Knowledge Panel, 86% of Americans think Biden, 81, is too old to serve another term as president. That figure includes 59% of Americans who think both he and former President Donald Trump, the Republican front-runner, are too old and 27% who think only Biden is too old.

Sixty-two percent of Americans think Trump, who is 77, is too old to serve as president. There is a large difference in how partisans view their respective nominees -- 73% of Democrats think Biden is too old to serve but only 35% of Republicans think Trump is too old to serve. Ninety-one percent of independents think Biden is too old to serve, and 71% say the same about Trump.

Concerns about both candidates' ages have increased since September when an ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 74% of Americans thought Biden -- the oldest commander in chief in U.S. history -- was too old to serve another term as president, and 49% said the same about Trump.

Archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20240214133801/https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-americans-on-biden-age/story?id=107126589

Part that drew my eye,

The poll also comes days after the Senate failed to advance a bipartisan foreign aid bill with major new border provisions.

Americans find there is blame to go around on Congress' failure to pass legislation intended to decrease the number of illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border -- with about the same number blaming the Republicans in Congress (53%), the Democrats (51%) and Biden (49%). Fewer, 39%, blame Trump.

More Americans trust that Trump would do a better job of handling immigration and the situation at the border than Biden -- 44%-26% -- according to the poll.

So that bipartisan border bill stunt was terrible policy, and it doesn't seem to have done anything for the Democratic party politically

Can we please stop trying to compromise with fascists now?

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[–] go_go_gadget -3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You say “better options” but a clear majority of Democrats thought Biden was the better option.

Were they right?

[–] nomous 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You're asking for an opinion.

A majority of Democrats thought Biden was the better option and despite the complaints of terminally online leftists, it appears they still do.

[–] go_go_gadget -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes I'm asking what your opinion is.

[–] nomous 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I personally liked Bernie but he sounded like a broken record at times. In hindsight I have my doubts he'd have won in the general anyway. Biden was easily the strongest candidate, who do you think was better?

[–] go_go_gadget -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Biden was easily the strongest candidate

This is an admission you believe people would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists.

I won't be voting for Biden in 2024. I will be voting 3rd party.

who do you think was better?

Anyone but Biden or Bloomberg was a better choice.

[–] Linkandluke 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you are voting third party, instead of for Biden. Aren't you saying you'd rather lose to fascist then vote for Biden?

Because at the end of the day, it's Biden vs Trump. A vote for Biden, is be a vote against Trump and vice versa.

[–] go_go_gadget -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you are voting third party, instead of for Biden. Aren’t you saying you’d rather lose to fascist then vote for Biden?

You could certainly make that argument. Would that make me selfish and foolish?

[–] Linkandluke 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you don't want fascism, I be would say it's foolish. I be wouldn't say it's selfish tho. I don't really understand what selfish about it.

[–] go_go_gadget 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you have the same judgement for moderates?

[–] Linkandluke 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] go_go_gadget 0 points 9 months ago

Great! I appreciate your support!

[–] nomous 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Brother I don't even think the vast majority of the electorate can define fascist much less decide they'd rather have that than compromise with leftists.

Anyone but Biden or Bloomberg was a better choice.

Clinging to ideological purity while you lose elections isn't how you get a seat at the table. It's how you lose.

[–] go_go_gadget -2 points 9 months ago

I have the same message for moderates.

I won't be voting for Joe Biden in the 2024 primaries. I will be voting 3rd party. When they're ready to let go of their ideological purity and compromise with leftists and progressives I'll be here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

He did better than he promised at basically everything. I really wanted someone who would push the envelope to the Left, but he never promised that and a lot of Democratic voters didn't want that anyway. He did recover us from COVID and dramatically improve the economy. He attempted some things that were more progressive than I expected of him, with various levels of success.

EDIT: he also compromised more with the Left than any president since Carter. Not much, but something

[–] go_go_gadget -3 points 9 months ago

Sounds like you're fine with the way things are working then.

I will not be voting for Joe Biden in 2024. I will be voting 3rd party.