this post was submitted on 31 Jan 2024
527 points (98.7% liked)

politics

19119 readers
2626 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

An Arizona lawmaker who signed on to be a “fake elector” for Donald Trump after the former president lost his bid for a second term has introduced a bill that would allow members of the statehouse to overturn future election results that they don’t like.

The bill, formally known as Senate Concurrent Resolution 1014 and sponsored by state Sen. Anthony Kern, seeks to bypass the popular vote altogether.

“[I]t is the responsibility of the Arizona Secretary of State to certify elections, including elections for President of the United States, but the sole authority to appoint presidential electors is granted to the Legislature,” the four-line bill reads. Therefore, it concludes, “[T]he Legislature, and no other official, shall appoint presidential electors in accordance with the United States Constitution.”

Giving the legislature absolute power to control Arizona’s electoral college votes, regardless of who won the popular vote, would disenfranchise millions of Arizonans.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 73 points 9 months ago (3 children)

So why isn’t he in jail? The US is completely fucked.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

The department of Justice is investigating everyone involved, but each state gets to choose whether or not to prosecute, and being that these conservatives are all cowards and liars, instead of admitting what they did was illegal, so far everyone's main defense has been "there's no specific legal code that says I can't write election documents in specifically, this way for specifically this election and send them to the national archives and to the vice president specifically", so the US legal system has to process their claims and each state has to decide whether or not that's a legitimate claim.

One of the conspirators, chesebro, who I will call cheese bro from now on for sake of speech to text brevity, has pled guilty to conspiracy in Georgia and is working with authorities in Georgia and at least four other states as of last month.

So all of these investigations are still going on, but all of the people who forged these documents and mail them in are wealthy and politically connected and have lawyers and refuse to take responsibility for their actions, so they're delaying matters as long as they can.

Despite this investigations are moving forward and after 3 years, cheese bro is working with authorities to further these investigations and prosecutions, so everything is moving forward, it's just taking as much time as you may expect.

People have been subpoenaed but no dates are set for them to be questioned, State prosecutors can't agree whether or not to prosecute them in state or refer cases to federal prosecutors; powerful states rights are a very cool part of the United States, you can go drive to Colorado and smoke weed tomorrow if you want to, but you'll be shot in Texas for it, but it also makes it difficult to uniformly prosecute conspirators in different states.

And all of these states have active ongoing investigations that have developments every couple of months or so, so nothing is being put off indefinitely, everyone who wants to build these cases is just taking their time and building the cases strongly as possible, and it took three years, but they have one of the main conspirators, cheese bro, now working with them in five of the states.

A good parallel might be when Trump raped E jean Carroll. This was obviously a much smaller case involving only two people, witnesses and evidence concerning them, and that case started in 2019 and didn't conclude until last month.

So we can expect that a seven-state conspiracy of fake electors forging documents, mailing them to the national archives and to pence, is going to take more time than that, especially with multiple criminal aspects rather than being civil cases.

I'll add the US isn't f*****. Trump was found liable for " sexual assault " he committed, New York is changing their legal definition of rape because the only reason Trump was found liable for sexual assault instead of rape is because New York has an antiquated legal definition of rape where it has to include a penis.

These are both good outcomes that show people in the states are working to make the legal system more fair.

The justice system is by no means fair and it won't be for a long time, probably forever, but the US isn't f*****, it's just filled with people trying to make it better while it's simultaneously trying to be pulled back into bigotry and special treatment by conservatives.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Thanks. I take the time so I can learn about it myself as well, since there are usually updates or details of a case I'm not aware of, I can look them up and refine my awareness of the situation before posting about it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My speech to text has a curse filter with just like a couple f****** words omitted, although I can still say like dick and twat, and like half the time it doesn't notice s***, but I find it super funny whenever it bleeps something out so I've just left it on.

[–] seukari 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Question: how do you compose such a long post (as above) with speech to text? Do you just have a masterful ability to dictate a point eloquently, first time, or do you have to go back and make edits manually afterwards?

I noticed verbal fillers in your (presumably lower effort, as its shorter) response, but none so noticeable in your longer initial post- which surprises me if both were only dictated

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

I definitely go back and make manual edits of my posts, since I hate reading errors in comments for a number of reasons.

I also want people to engage with these comments, so making them easier, or at least more clear, to read is probably a good way to go.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Meanwhile: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/03/fight-to-vote-tennessee-pamela-moses-convicted

There's something different about this person than the guy in OP, but I just can't put my finger on it...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Because the fascists have, in reality, always been in control. We were never a democratic or a free country.