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In the last 5 to 10 years everything seems to suck: product's and services quality plummeted, everything from homes to cars to food became really expensive, technology stopped to help us to be something designed to f@ck with us and our money, nobody seems to be able to hold a job anymore, everyone is broke. Life seems worse in general.

Why? Did COVID made this happen? How?

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Capitalism. The longer Capitalism exists, the more it has to find new ways to stop/slow its own built-in death clock. If it doesn't, it dies, due to problems like the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall and rising disparity. Enshittification, so to speak.

With each economic disaster, the wealthiest of the bourgeoisie can claim large swaths of cheaper Capital at a discount, compounding the issue into a form of neo-feudalism that will eventually collapse under its own weight.

[–] blazeknave 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

God forbid a post-scarcity world where the only currency is our reputation, honor, and credibility.

[–] nirodhaavidya 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] blazeknave -1 points 11 months ago

Hehehehe it started there but took an Orville hard left

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (6 children)

It's not "Capitalism", it's governments not doing their job in regulating capitalist practices, and instead embracing neoliberal economics. I don't accept that all ownership is theft. Trade in goods and services benefits both parties. I am so sick of people using this shorthand word "capitalism" to describe what's going on here. We've had capitalism for millennia, and it's brought us longer, healthier and happier lives, and reduced warfare. It's Thatcherite/Reaganomic practices by governments that are the problem, not the system of ownership of capital.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

At the core, the issue is still deeply rooted within capitalism but governments should absolutely be doing their fucking jobs and curb the worst aspects of it a little until we're ready for something better.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fair point, I accept that. A bit like how democracy is the worst form of government apart from those other ones we tried.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Even then, there are still countless forms of democracy and democratic government. Democracy itself is a cool concept, the actual systems utilizing Democracy vary wildly, from the Soviet form, to the Chinese form, to the American form, to the European forms, to the forms practiced in more Anarchist societies like the EZLN and revolutionary Catalonia, and more.

There's direct Democracy, council Democracy, republican Democracy, proportional Democracy, parliamentary democracy, and far, far more.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Liberal Democracies are of, by, and for the bourgeoisie. Because Capitalists have immense influence, the state will bend to their will.

Trade is good. Capitalism is not. Capitalism is not trade, its a Mode of Production by which there are individual Capitalists and non-owner workers. We have not had Capitalism for millenia, but a few hundred years.

Capitalism did not bring us healthier, longer, and happier lives, nor reduce warfare. Development did. Capitalism drives profit, that's it, anything else is tangential to that end.

I think you would do yourself a lot of good by reading theory.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I agree with your last point - and I may be a bit bourgeois (not to mention ignorant) myself. I'd appreciate recommendations if you wouldn't mind.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

That's a ton of reflection and openness, so I just want to commend you for that. Fantastic to hear and see.

Initially, I want to give a general basis for what can be considered bourgeois. The Bourgeoisie are those Capitalists who do not need to perform labor to survive, and earn their money via ownership alone. One can be a business owner actively and a member of the bourgeoisie if they can simply hire someone to manage in their place, but a member of the petite bourgeoisie cannot hire a manager to take their place and still make enough money to survive.

As for general reading recommendations? You have a lot of paths you can go. I don't personally recommend going full ML or full Anarchist right off the bat, usually it takes a lot of reflection to pick a tendency. I myself don't even have a tendency I identify with, as I believe the process towards progress is unique for each country and state.

If you want a real quick intro: Principles of Communism, by Engels, is an extremely quick read. Why Socialism? by Albert Einstein is another fantastic paper. The Communist Manifesto is good, but it's extremely fiery and usually is better after you're familiar with Marxism.

If you want to get a quick intro that breaks more into the theory side (as in, you'll be more well-read than the vast majority of online leftists with little effort), read both Value, Price, and Profit and Wage Labor and Capital by Marx. They are condensed and simplified versions of what Marx greatly elaborates on in Capital, his seminal masterwork.

For Anarchism, An Anarchist FAQ is a good starting point. Note that Anarchists usually align with Marxists on analysis, but not on strategy.

There's also topics like Syndicalism, Market Socialism, the idea of Reform vs Revolution (Rosa Luxembourg has a good paper on that), and more, but those are fantastic bang for buck reads.

If you still want more, you can always read Socialism: Utopian and Scientific and The Conquest of Bread, the former for Marxism and the latter for Anarchism.

Hope this helps! There are tons of YouTube videos as well that simplify Marxism as much as possible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Thanks for this :)

[–] TheWoozy 2 points 11 months ago

Capitalism is not millennia old. Capitalism (as commonly defined) only stared to take root after the black death (1350ish) flipped feudalism on its head. Suddenly the free and unfree peasant class had some control of their own destiny and could sell their skills to whomever they wanted at whatever price they could get. Serfs could declare themselves free. Land was often up for grabs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It's not "Capitalism", it's governments not doing their job in regulating capitalist practices

It's Thatcherite/Reaganomic practices by governments that are the problem

Hmm, I'm trying to remember what economic system both these countries have... Let's call it "Bappitalism". And if the economic model is so powerful that it influences the governmental one (lobbyists, military spending, etc), then yes, that is a problem.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Read the other comments please.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

That's not how forums or discussions in general work. For reference, read other comments on the internet, please.

[–] TheWoozy 1 points 11 months ago

Alas, the alternative to capitalism has never been socialism, but feudalism.