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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by [email protected] to c/politicalmemes
 

I literally do blame the Democrats for Trump, and if you don't, you weren't paying attention.

Plenty of us were critiquing Clinton's campaign on those merits and were consistently talked down to in shocker the same way we're being talked down to now. Shocker, she lost. I remember saying a few weeks before the election "We're about to get Brexited." I put my vote down for Clinton, because Trump is fucking insane, and that was clear before he was President. It was clear in the fucking 1980's.

Being able to critique our leaders is supposed to be what is the difference between us and conservative voters. They're the cult who unquestioningly believes all the bullshit that comes out of Trump's mouth and diapers. I find it weird that people think we should be more like them in regards to our leaders like that would be a good thing.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"Abortion is not my highest legislative priority." -Obama 2009

[–] Wilzax 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, the federal government has very little ability to change abortion policy outside of the supreme Court interpreting the bill of rights as protecting the bodily autonomy of the mother. A constitutional amendment is the only other way it could be done

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They could literally have passed a federal law and had been done with it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

Why would they pass a federal law that can be overturned in the next Congress when every incoming justice has claimed under oath that Roe is a constitutional right that cannot be removed?

Hindsight is always 2020

[–] HandBreadedTools -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not. The Democrats were just too hindered with propaganda to stand up to the Republicans and take control of Congress and the federal government when they had a chance.

The Republicans are our abusers and the Democrats our chief enablers.

[–] HandBreadedTools 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Homie yes it is false, SCOTUS can absolutely tell Congress to go fuck itself over any legislation they choose. They do it frequently, they have nullified tons of Acts passed by Congress in the past.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

And as Andrew Jackson proved, we literally can just tell SCOTUS to come down and enforce their rulings themselves if they feel some type of way about it.

And it's WAY past time the feds started doing that.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

the federal government has very little ability to change abortion policy

They had the votes to pass the legislation that would federally guarantee a woman's right to an abortion and they choose not to include it.

They had the ability to tie access to legal abortion to federal Medicare/caid funding, and they choose not to do it.

They had the momentum to put a constitutional amendment on state ballots - in much the same way Bush used "traditional family" amendments to put gay marriage legalization on the ballot in 2004 - and they refused.

They have the ability - RIGHT NOW - to pass state laws that will shield women and doctors from interstate prosecutions and they are refusing to do it.

A constitutional amendment is the only other way it could be done

An amendment is certainly one way it could be done. An interstate compact is another. Federal public money and legal protection for physicians is a third way. There are still others. None have been tried. None are being pursued. None appear to be a part of the 2024 election agenda.

[–] HandBreadedTools 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

SCOTUS can tell Congress to go fuck itself for literally any reason. Passing a law saying abortion cannot be made illegal by a state would have done literally NOTHING to stop Dobbs.

I am so sick of seeing this false rhetoric all over Lemmy, the only thing that would have stopped Dobbs would have been a constitutional amendment.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

A law passed by congress would have set an entirely different framework thus eliminating the grounds Dobbs relied on. I am pretty sure the justices were pretty clear in the Dobbs decision itself about that.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 2 points 11 months ago

SCOTUS can tell Congress to go fuck itself for literally any reason.

Yes. But then that reason sets off a series of dominoes, as it applies to a whole host of outstanding case law. The reason the SCOTUS gives is incredibly important and not something trivially decided.

Passing a law saying abortion cannot be made illegal

Would have overriden a host of state trigger-laws already on the books, forcing the states to re-litigate at the state level and offer liberals ample opportunity to stonewall new legislation in a host of states.

I am so sick of seeing this false rhetoric

Democrats crying that they are powerless while insisting that Republicans are omnipotent is the false rhetoric.

"Government can't help you, it can only hurt you" is this toxic and corrosive theory that gives license to the worst kind of people to continue doing the most nightmarish things to their neighbors.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Given the state of the economy at the time, I don't blame him for this. He also said he believed marriage to be between a man and a woman back then. He evolved. If Obama joins Joe on the campaign trail I'm willing to bet he'll be bringing up abortion because it's getting voters motivated.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Sure, but for the proceeding seven years FOCA was not touched. It would likely have motivated voters in the last eight too, let alone now. It is almost cynically insulting if it can be brought up again solely as a campaign tool for voter motivation.

[–] go_go_gadget 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Given the state of the economy at the time

Except that he did fuck all about that either. Zero prosecutions just billions in bailouts for failing corporations while people were losing their homes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc

Remember how the GOP decided they weren't gonna let him do fuck-all? The only things he could ever get done was during the slim window that the Democrats just barely had a supermajority.

[–] Ensign_Crab 2 points 11 months ago

They could have done away with the filibuster with a simple majority.

They didn't want to.